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#21 Phi for All

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:01 PM

We can.

I think what Ophiolite was talking about is getting +'s on old posts and having no clue as to where you amassed certain points.

Good. Thanks for the explanation.

It would be great to be able to click on your reputation score and filter the posts that received them, but we'll have to wait for Cap'n to tell us what's possible.

We've actually been discussing negative rep points in the Staff sections recently. I don't like the fact that having only one point a day often causes members to make judgements that seem juxtaposed to the rep system's intent. I can also see why less focus on negativity is important.
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#22 Appolinaria

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:59 PM

I don't like the fact that having only one point a day often causes members to make judgements that seem juxtaposed to the rep system's intent.


So you would prefer no limit?
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#23 Ophiolite

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:21 PM

We can.

I think what Ophiolite was talking about is getting +'s on old posts and having no clue as to where you amassed certain points.

That's it exactly. If one gets rep for an active thread the same day, one usually notices it within that day. Once the post has scrolled of the current page, or at least far to the top it becomes practically invisible. Members who have perhaps entered the thread for the first time and are reading from the front may encounter an old post and give it rep. On another forum today, for example, I gave positive rep to a post over a month old.

To Moontanman I vey much like the restriction on negative rep. It constrains one from acting in haste. Some users even abuse the current system.
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#24 Phi for All

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:37 PM

So you would prefer no limit?

Why would you assume I want to leap to the other end of the spectrum? Do you think I exhibit extremist tendencies?
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#25 Appolinaria

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:58 PM

No, I was just trying to understand what you meant here;

I don't like the fact that having only one point a day often causes members to make judgements that seem juxtaposed to the rep system's intent.


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#26 Phi for All

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:51 PM

No, I was just trying to understand what you meant here;

I don't like the fact that having only one point a day often causes members to make judgements that seem juxtaposed to the rep system's intent.


I've spoken with some members that tell me they'll come across a post they feel deserves negative rep, usually for insulting behavior, but they know they only have one point and may come across something worse later in the day, so they hold back. It keeps them from using the negative side of the system for what it was intended, to show other members that a post exhibited poor rationale or judgement that reflects on the user overall.

The current negative rep system is more of a quantitative approach rather than a qualitative one. To me, the whole system is supposed to nudge people in the right direction by peer pressure rather than staff intervention, which I feel is far more effective in the long run.

I wouldn't change the system by much. I'd recommend allowing two negative rep points per day. It would be fairly easy then to see if it caused more abuse or made the system more effective. I certainly wouldn't want it to be accessible for this purpose:

How can I get a listing of which post and who gave us a + or - ??


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#27 Appolinaria

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:02 PM

I've spoken with some members that tell me they'll come across a post they feel deserves negative rep, usually for insulting behavior, but they know they only have one point and may come across something worse later in the day, so they hold back. It keeps them from using the negative side of the system for what it was intended, to show other members that a post exhibited poor rationale or judgement that reflects on the user overall.

The current negative rep system is more of a quantitative approach rather than a qualitative one. To me, the whole system is supposed to nudge people in the right direction by peer pressure rather than staff intervention, which I feel is far more effective in the long run.

I wouldn't change the system by much. I'd recommend allowing two negative rep points per day. It would be fairly easy then to see if it caused more abuse or made the system more effective. I certainly wouldn't want it to be accessible for this purpose:


1 per day? really? I had no idea there was a limit at all. Should be more than that :x
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:31 PM

I didn't even realise positive rep points had a limit. You must really enjoy handing them out. :P



yes i do enjoy giving out pos rep, I like to encourage people, neg rep is not something I enjoy but sometimes after giving evidence of what ever someone is asserting is wrong gets tiring to do over and over and over neg rep is a good way to show it and let off a little bit of steam in the process. I know that when i get neg rep it gets my attention quickly, I look carefully at the post I got neg rep on to see what I did wrong, i take neg rep far more seriously than pos rep.

I vote for three a day... oops I forgot this is not a democracy :unsure:

Possibly only people with a certain minimum positive reputation should get extra neg reps to hand out?

Edited by Moontanman, 24 March 2012 - 08:36 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:40 AM

I agree with Ophiolite, a listing on which posts we have recieved positive or negative votes on would be nice.

But we should not be able to see who made those votes, it would only cause trouble and unfair revenges.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:23 PM

Maybe those that dole out positive rep could earn more negative rep to dole out?
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#31 Ophiolite

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

I agree with Ophiolite, a listing on which posts we have recieved positive or negative votes on would be nice.

But we should not be able to see who made those votes, it would only cause trouble and unfair revenges.

Yes. I do want to be clear that I don't want to know who cast either positive or negative votes, as it would tend to influence my own actions.

I like the idea of negative votes being scaled against the number of postives given, but suspect it might be difficult to implement. It might also be good to bar more than one negative vote against the same post from the same person on succeeding days. I believe I was the victim of this on one occassion.

And while we are on this subject I object to those 'wits' who have misdirections encouraging members to give them positive rep. This practice should be banned, especially when implemented by staff. You know who you are!!!!
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:35 PM

And while we are on this subject I object to those 'wits' who have misdirections encouraging members to give them positive rep. This practice should be banned, especially when implemented by staff. You know who you are!!!!

You know, I started the "wit" misdirection trend to poke fun at those who were just openly asking for positive rep, and I can see your point. It honestly never occurred to me that anyone would take it seriously on a site with so many intelligent people.

Sorry you were fooled, Ophiolite, but thanks for the rep points! :P




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#33 Ophiolite

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:37 PM

Sorry you were fooled, Ophiolite, but thanks for the rep points! :P

That's OK. I kept hitting the red one by mistake.
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#34 Phi for All

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:44 PM

That's OK. I kept hitting the red one by mistake.

That's what everyone tells me!

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:17 PM

It might also be good to bar more than one negative vote against the same post from the same person on succeeding days. I believe I was the victim of this on one occassion.

It looks to me as if once I vote either way for a post I am barred from voting on that post ever again.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

I would like to join with some of the others in saying this:-
If I go to my profile and notice a change in my points it would be nice to easily find which post caused the change. It would just be nice to see what had pleased or offended someone. The "name" of the person would not matter.


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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:04 PM

It looks to me as if once I vote either way for a post I am barred from voting on that post ever again.

That seems logical. I've never tried to vote again later, either positive or negative. Certianly you are barred from doing it immediately. My interpretation of some events a few months back may be faulty.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:22 AM

But we should not be able to see who made those votes, it would only cause trouble and unfair revenges.


Yes, everyone would be derailing the discussion and abusing those who gave negative.
But, it can be highly insightful for some to know who agree with them and who not.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:51 AM

Yes, everyone would be derailing the discussion and abusing those who gave negative.
But, it can be highly insightful for some to know who agree with them and who not.

But then you could feel too guilty to vote negative on a bad post that person makes later on, at least I would...


And while we are on this subject I object to those 'wits' who have misdirections encouraging members to give them positive rep. This practice should be banned, especially when implemented by staff. You know who you are!!!!

I agree with this one too, I have refrained from voting positive because I was discouraged by the member's begging for rep in their signature.

Edited by Spyman, 26 March 2012 - 06:52 AM.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:10 AM

I have seen in some circumstances a post getting neg point, then getting pos. (result null) then getting more pos. (result +2) then getting neg. again, the result of the fight being null. It would be very interesting to keep all the vote history, and not only the result. For example "this post got 3 neg. and 3 pos." instead of "0".

Edited by michel123456, 26 March 2012 - 07:13 AM.

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