1 hour ago, Sensei said:

You always come up with this nonsense when you're out of arguments.

LOL

1 hour ago, Sensei said:

So let's look at the LLM statistics.

ChatGPT 64.5%, Google Gemini 21.5%. 64.5+21.5=86% of the LLM worldwide market.

Grok 3%. 86+3=89%.

Are you all okay?

You don’t cite a source for this, and what I found disagrees

https://menlovc.com/perspective/2025-mid-year-llm-market-update/

Anthropic 32%, OpenAI 25%, Google 20%

Further,

https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-center-energy-needs-are-upending-power-grids-and-threatening-the-climate

“About 56% of the electricity used to power data centers nationwide comes from fossil fuels.”

Data center alley in Northern VA is a prominent example of using grid energy. Memphis TN has been in the news for using methane gas generators, without proper approvals.

1 hour ago, Sensei said:

I don't understand what you wrote here. I didn't write about any hypothetical things.

Datacenter = the place where these LLM questions are processed.

If ChatGPT (64.5% of the world market) runs on Azure, and Microsoft claims that Azure is 100% renewable, this means that 64.5% of the world's LLM runs on renewable energy.

https://datacenters.microsoft.com/globe/powering-sustainable-transformation/

Same with Google Gemini. So 86% of LLMs are on renewable energy.

Repeat with smaller models..

It is physically unprofitable to have a data center without renewable energy.

You mentioned cloud services in your examples. Not all data is related to LLM use.

1 hour ago, Sensei said:

ChatGPT 64.5%, Google Gemini 21.5%. 64.5+21.5=86% of the LLM worldwide market.

Grok 3%. 86+3=89%.

This is all well and good and it's easy to make those who want to rein in AI in general seem like Luddites but I think the whole point being made is that the vast increase in energy demand Is prolonging our already too high consumption of fossil fuels. Humans seem to have unlimited demand for energy so the problem becomes at what point does producing that energy do more "harm" than "good".

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

We've given birth to a problem child, a precocious little smart arse that's got a lot of growing up to do; maybe it'll be a good teacher, if we guide it down the right path.

But one thing's for sure, we can't kill it now...

Thank you for bringing this discussion back to its topic in your inimitable way. +1

For the record this thread is not about global warming/ climate change.

Nor does the spent energy in tungsten lightbulbs make any significant difference to room temperature.

It is a poorly known fact of Physics that hot air rises.

Nor is this thread an exercise in AI bashing.

I can actually see a use for the offered service in the right circumstances, but Adobe has also provided a buttion to access this for those that actually need it.

The popup in the screenshot is unwanted/unneeded push advertising, and somewhat patronising and offensive IMHO.

But thank you all for your input anyway.

Edited Thursday at 02:48 PM2 days by studiot

23 minutes ago, studiot said:

Thank you for bringing this discussion back to its topic in your inimitable way. +1

For the record this thread is not about global warming/ climate change.

Nor does the spent energy in tungsten lightbulbs make any significant difference to room temperature.

It is a poorly known fact of Physics that hot air rises.

Nor is this thread an exercise in AI bashing.

I can actually see a use for the offered service in the right circumstances, but Adobe has also provided a buttion to access this for those that actually need it.

The popup in the screenshot is unwanted/unneeded push advertising, and somewhat patronising and offensive IMHO.

But thank you all for your input anyway.

Maybe this helps: How to disable every AI feature on Microsoft Edge for Windows 11 - Pureinfotech

5 hours ago, Sensei said:

Microsoft contracted about 13.7 GW of renewable energy capacity for its cloud services by the end of 2023, part of its effort to power operations sustainably.

That is an additional 13.7 GW of solar irradiance converted to thermal energy thus increasing the planet's surface temperature.

13.7 GW that could have been better reflected back into space by a mirror rather than absorbed by photovoltaic cells.

Increasing civilisation's energy consumption simply and proportionally impacts the rate of global warming.

Edited Thursday at 05:30 PM2 days by sethoflagos
Improved terminology

7 hours ago, Genady said:

They require this huge power for training, but not for answering queries.

(I skip the LLM responses just as I skip commercial ads.)

I have to correct my earlier statement. I have discovered I can actually deactivate the AI feature in my browser - and have done so.

Just now, exchemist said:

I have to correct my earlier statement. I have discovered I can actually deactivate the AI feature in my browser - and have done so.

Yes, good.

I've posted this to @studiot :

3 hours ago, Genady said:

Maybe this helps: How to disable every AI feature on Microsoft Edge for Windows 11 - Pureinfotech

7 hours ago, exchemist said:

Depending on the size of the model and the hardware it runs on, a single LLM query may consume between 2 and 5 watt-hours — sometimes even more. In some comparisons, LLM queries have been found to require up to 100 times more energy than a standard search engine query.

I've been down that research alley. Yeah, quite a contrast. I turn off AI search on my Chrome browser. Wind turbines are the least offenders for powering data centers, IIRC the atmo physics analysis. @sethoflagos might know more on that.

2 hours ago, sethoflagos said:

Increasing civilisation's energy consumption simply and proportionally impacts the rate of global warming.

Don't understand that "simply". PV converts Sun that would have heated rural ground (in most installs). PV, via the computers it's powering, is turning solar radiance into hot air venting from the server building. Is that more warming than heated soil radiating? Seems like albedo would need accounting for, plus some other complications.

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

Don't understand that "simply".

Fair comment. However, it is 'simply' a matter of being absolutely clear about the substitution choices that are being made - ensuring that all other things remain equal and that the comparison is not being compromised.

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

PV converts Sun that would have heated rural ground (in most installs).

If the electricity produced is used to substitute for currently consumed electricity produced by fossil fuel combustion, there are potential reductions in both greenhouse gas emissions and total heat exhausted to the troposphere (because of reduced waste heat).

If it is used to meet an increase in global power consumption, that energy ends up as increased tropospheric heating with no savings to mitigate.

2 hours ago, TheVat said:

Is that more warming than heated soil radiating?

Indistinguishable.

2 hours ago, TheVat said:

Seems like albedo would need accounting for, plus some other complications.

The installation costs of the solar panels could alternatively be used to cover the same land area in mirrors negating most albedo considerations. Subject to cloud cover, most of this energy would be reflected back into space reducing thermal input to the troposphere.

2 hours ago, TheVat said:

Wind turbines are the least offenders for powering data centers, IIRC the atmo physics analysis. @sethoflagos might know more on that.

Convince me that the 1:1 conversion of tropospheric kinetic energy into tropospheric thermal energy does not lead to a pro rata nett reduction in tropospheric kinetic energy. Is the new thermal energy reconverted back to new wind with no consequent increase in global temperatures?

You may be right, at least in part. But this one is not so simple. The big models would have to be consulted I think.

On 2/18/2026 at 4:25 PM, studiot said:

I was reading a pdf paper about protons when this little fella popped up

Save time be dammed. How will anyone ever learn anything serious ?

Lol today I encountered a tradesman that didn't even know how to read a tape measure. Any time he had to determine say for example 3/8" of an inch. He would google the answer

Guess the world is becoming reliant on media and software resources.

15 hours ago, Mordred said:

Lol today I encountered a tradesman that didn't even know how to read a tape measure. Any time he had to determine say for example 3/8" of an inch. He would google the answer

Guess the world is becoming reliant on media and software resources.

I'm guessing he built your walls well enough though...

Lol after I spent an hour teaching him how to read fractions on a tape measure and teaching him how to add, multiply and divide fractions lmao

On 2/19/2026 at 2:54 PM, swansont said:

You don’t cite a source for this, and what I found disagrees

https://menlovc.com/perspective/2025-mid-year-llm-market-update/

Anthropic 32%, OpenAI 25%, Google 20%

In your cursory research, you missed the key word, namely, enterprise vs. consumers.

Statistics indeed show that Claude (Anthropic's LLM the biggest product, which is not research model) is used more often in enterprise.

But the price of its tokens can be nearly 10 times higher than the price of ChatGPT and Gemini tokens, so if its market share is expressed in dollars and not queries, it doesn't really reflect the true percentage of the amount of electricity used to generate the responses.

What are these enterprise LLMs mainly used for? I think it's for programming, office support, answering customer questions on store websites, replacing human call centers and store support. It's easy to conclude that these will be marginal uses of LLMs compared to the consumer market (as there are 8 billion potential users worldwide). ChatGPT answers 2.5 billion questions daily.

Claude (Anthropic) market share both enterprise and consumer markets merged:

https://fatjoe.com/blog/claude-ai-stats/

If the above is not enough:

Enterprise:

https://www.google.com/search?q=llm+by+market+share+enterprise

vs

Consumer:

https://www.google.com/search?q=llm+by+market+share+consumer

ps. If we don't know how this market share is calculated - whether in dollars, the number of queries, or the number of tokens processed - it can significantly distort our understanding of these statistics. If something costs $10, 10 times more than the competition, then clearly in dollar-based statistics, it will have a higher percentage than those offering it for $1. And mislead us.