Andrew Cuomo says companies should hire people with criminal record

"70 million Americans have a criminal record — that’s one in three adults."

Okay I get Andrew Cuomo what he is saying but I can only see people with theft or drug charges has people with firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing are no go.

So Andrew Cuomo out of the 70 million Americans who have a criminal record what percentage is firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing are no go.

@politifact

How many U.S. adults have a criminal record?

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5 hours ago, Moon99 said:

So Andrew Cuomo out of the 70 million Americans who have a criminal record what percentage is firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing are no go.

Cuomo isn’t governor anymore

6 hours ago, Moon99 said:

70 million Americans who have a criminal record what percentage is firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing are no go.

Are you saying the American justice system doesn't provide for rehabilitation ?
If not, then what is the point of it ?

If you want to keep them from making a living, and separate from society, after serving their rehabilitating sentence, then you might as well kill them, or ship them off to a country in Central America, or Africa, never to be heard from again ( seems a popular idea with the American Government ).

7 minutes ago, MigL said:

Are you saying the American justice system doesn't provide for rehabilitation ?
If not, then what is the point of it ?

Money.

https://news.law.fordham.edu/jcfl/2018/12/09/the-american-prison-system-its-just-business/

I am also reminded of studies that found that violent crime is primarily a crime of youth. People over 30, their number in violent crime statistics plummets. Most violence comes from young people whose emotional impulsivity is high. If allowed to rejoin society, they generally (except for a small percent, usually estimated around 2-5%, who are sociopaths) master impulse control and can lead peaceful lives. OTOH, leave them caged with sociopaths and the mentally ill, and they don't do so well.

Mister Cuomo can hire in his own businesses all the people with criminal records he wants. If that is also replacing/firing the ones with no criminal records, is his decision too. Just do not tell me who I should hire in my business.

24 minutes ago, MigL said:

If you want to keep them from making a living, and separate from society, after serving their rehabilitating sentence, then you might as well kill them, or ship them off to a country in Central America, or Africa, never to be heard from again

Exactly. A one-time mistake for which one has already been punished should not result in a lifetime of struggle and inability to move forward. When companies refuse to hire these people they are MORE likely to commit MORE crimes, the exact opposite of what we want. They are LESS likely to be a problem if they have a job because it creates opportunity.

52 minutes ago, iNow said:

Exactly. A one-time mistake for which one has already been punished should not result in a lifetime of struggle and inability to move forward. When companies refuse to hire these people they are MORE likely to commit MORE crimes, the exact opposite of what we want. They are LESS likely to be a problem if they have a job because it creates opportunity.

If they have drug charges or theft charges yes, but people with firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing not so much.

I may be afraid to go to such business if they have firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing record.

10 minutes ago, Moon99 said:

I may be afraid to go to such business if they have firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing record.

How would you know if they have such employees?

43 minutes ago, Moon99 said:

If they have drug charges or theft charges yes, but people with firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing not so much.

If youthful impulse control is to blame, what difference do the charges make? You would pardon the young thief but condemn a young person who got into a fight to a lifetime of mistrust and poverty?

1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

If they have drug charges or theft charges yes, but people with firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing not so much.

Your homework for tonight is to watch Shawshank Redemption and rethink your position.

1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

I may be afraid

That's on you. Get over it.

It's an interesting question. In the UK there are certain jobs you cannot do if you have a record, working with children being one of them.

There are plenty of cases where young men (usually male) get involved in violent gang crime, do time then turn their lives around and work with youngsters with problems, who may be canon fodder for street gangs and criminals.

They visit correction centres for kids who are on the brink of change now or look forward to doing some real adult jail time.

Those individuals possess qualities I like in a human, to work at my company. Learned morals, ethics and humanity the hard way.

Usually the academic side is lacking but that can be worked on, you cannot teach character.

https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/life/25082020-youngsters-lives-matter-how-a-former-gang-member-turned-his-life-around-and-is-now-giving-back

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3 hours ago, MigL said:

Are you saying the American justice system doesn't provide for rehabilitation ?
If not, then what is the point of it ?

America has an excellent record of rehabilitating criminals. Only last year they elected a guy with 34 felony convictions for fraud as their new president - same guy also happens to be an adjudicated rapist and insurrectionist.

41 minutes ago, toucana said:

America has an excellent record of rehabilitating criminals. Only last year they elected a guy with 34 felony convictions for fraud as their new president - same guy also happens to be an adjudicated rapist and insurrectionist.

But he’s a recidivist.

3 hours ago, iNow said:

Your homework for tonight is to watch Shawshank Redemption and rethink your position.

One of my favorite movies.

1 hour ago, toucana said:

America has an excellent record of rehabilitating criminals.

He's not rehabilitated at all; he's still committing illegal and criminal acts, only now he's got Presidential immunity.

1 hour ago, MigL said:

One of my favorite movies.

He's not rehabilitated at all; he's still committing illegal and criminal acts, only now he's got Presidential immunity.

I think he meant "rehabilitated"; tongue in cheek.

7 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

I think he meant "rehabilitated"; tongue in cheek.

Yes. Flashing on a scene from Raising Arizona where the parole board guy is telling Nicholas Cage they have a name for people like him. "Recidivist! Repeat oh-fender!"

59 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

I think he meant "rehabilitated"; tongue in cheek.

That a tiny margin elected a felon speaks to mindset of the voters rather than the candidate.

as much as i hate cuomo, i agree with him on this one. if ex convicts can't secure a steady income they're far more likely to reoffend. however, i understand your concern over people with violent criminal histories. it's a difficult issue because it can often be hard to distinguish between criminals who offended out of necessity and those who did so due to a bad moral compass. maybe there could be more collaboration between employers and the justice system where those hiring can review the applicant's behavior in prison or other indicators of possible reoffense.