6 minutes ago, iNow said:

Or did you not read the link either and you think the reference was to a religious person?

Probanly not enough, since you've given me pause for thought...

A framing hammer would seem to have better leverage than a priest, and could be purchased at any hardware store. Also the hammer doesn't make everyone wait while last rites are administered.

One method I can't recommend is this one...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1769869/

I'm sort of inclined to classify this under Research Least in Need of Funding.

24 minutes ago, TheVat said:

A framing hammer would seem to have better leverage than a priest

Had almost this exact same thought, and then thought a hatchet would be equally available and far more efficient

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

A framing hammer would seem to have better leverage than a priest, and could be purchased at any hardware store. Also the hammer doesn't make everyone wait while last rites are administered.

13 minutes ago, iNow said:

Had almost this exact same thought, and then thought a hatchet would be equally available and far more efficient

IMHO the best priest is the pointy end of a spring-handled welding hammer. Definitely the bees knees if you're sharing the deck of a small boat with a lively 20 kg barracuda or similar. I've tried most options...

5 hours ago, sethoflagos said:

IMHO the best priest is the pointy end of a spring-handled welding hammer. Definitely the bees knees if you're sharing the deck of a small boat with a lively 20 kg barracuda or similar. I've tried most options...

Seems a bit harsh to be targetting bees' knees.That spring-handled welding hammer seems quite a fierce tool.

You wouldn't want to use it hammer side first ,though and impale yourself on the recoil.

If you are trying to kill something bigger than a mouse or squirrel, I don't think it would be a good idea to try and stab it with a knife unless you are wearing some kind of protection. Most animals are not very amenable to strange humans approaching them, even (or maybe especially) if severely injured so may lash out at you.

18 hours ago, npts2020 said:

If you are trying to kill something bigger than a mouse or squirrel, I don't think it would be a good idea to try and stab it with a knife unless you are wearing some kind of protection. Most animals are not very amenable to strange humans approaching them, even (or maybe especially) if severely injured so may lash out at you.

Indeed, that's why the farmer should deal the killing blow, farming it out to a butcher (pun intended) is an ethical mistake, that leads to veganism.

On 4/23/2025 at 1:10 PM, raphaelh42 said:

Hi

I live in france, if i see an animal that got hit by a car, suffering to death on the road, i would like to shorten its suffering (if i see it's completely smashed and will die for sure)

I don't even think there is a service of the government to call in such situation*, that could come fast to try to save the animal

Could you please recommend a way to kill the animal so it's as fast as possible ? or slower if it's less painful, i hope you understand. Without knife/rocks, in case i have nothing.

Regards

*last time there was a dog, it seems he had a broken leg, i called the firefighters, 20 minutes after, still nothing, the guy on the phone said he sent people but i think he lied. Then a man from the SPA saw us and took the dog

If it is a fish, I recommend using the Ikejime method or simply letting it bleed out.

5 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

If it is a fish, I recommend using the Ikejime method or simply letting it bleed out.

Is that big business where you come from - exporting roadkill to the international sashimi market?

6 minutes ago, sethoflagos said:

Is that big business where you come from - exporting roadkill to the international sashimi market?

Must be interesting roads, if you can find fish there regularly. RFK Jr. would have a field day!

17 minutes ago, sethoflagos said:

Is that big business where you come from - exporting roadkill to the international sashimi market?

100% I personally went to Joe the bartender too sell a fresh yellow tang that I ran over

4 hours ago, CharonY said:

Must be interesting roads, if you can find fish there regularly. RFK Jr. would have a field day!

On 4/23/2025 at 1:10 PM, raphaelh42 said:

Hi

I live in france, if i see an animal that got hit by a car, suffering to death on the road, i would like to shorten its suffering (if i see it's completely smashed and will die for sure)

I don't even think there is a service of the government to call in such situation*, that could come fast to try to save the animal

Could you please recommend a way to kill the animal so it's as fast as possible ? or slower if it's less painful, i hope you understand. Without knife/rocks, in case i have nothing.

Regards

*last time there was a dog, it seems he had a broken leg, i called the firefighters, 20 minutes after, still nothing, the guy on the phone said he sent people but i think he lied. Then a man from the SPA saw us and took the dog

Perhaps run the tire over again, I sound like an idiot saying this but a quick mash is far quicker than using rocks or sticks to open an animal.

On 4/25/2025 at 2:46 PM, iNow said:

I'd be happy to provide one to you if you persist in this line of thinking.

I'm not sure you understood my line of thinking

I was wondering if I see a dog hit by a car, slowly dying in agony

I'm on foot, no tool nothing, how to make his pain stop as fast as possible

@npts2020 i wasn't thinking about this, thank you

9 minutes ago, raphaelh42 said:

I'm not sure you understood my line of thinking

I do, though, but I also understand that you don’t seem like the type to be able to handle such a situation effectively were it presented to you IRL

4 minutes ago, iNow said:

I do, though, but I also understand that you don’t seem like the type to be able to handle such a situation effectively were it presented to you IRL

If by type you mean lacking knowledge then I confirm, that's why i opened this thread

If you meant state of mind: when i imagine an animal suffering because of humans, that kills me, so i think i would be very motivated to act, maybe even happy, or maybe i would be too much afraid to make things worst (but if i have the knowledge, which doesn't involve pulling a trigger, i guess i would not be too much afraid to act)

Edited May 4May 4 by raphaelh42

Around 20 years ago a friend of mine worked as an Environmental Officer (degree qualified) at a 4.5 star Environmental resort and he came across a Wallaby that had been badly hit by a vehicle. As he was over 1 km from the Environment center and didn't want to extend the animals pain he grabbed a large stick and bashed its head three times to put it out of its misery. Unfortunately there was a guest on a boat nearby who videoed it and made his life a misery for doing the right thing.

A later job for another environmental company at an airport required him to locate and destroy the nests and eggs of relatively large birds (Ibis) that were in a swamp to prevent 'bird strike' accidents

These moments must have made him kinda hate people sometimes

10 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

If by type you mean lacking knowledge then I confirm, that's why i opened this thread

If you meant state of mind: when i imagine an animal suffering because of humans, that kills me, so i think i would be very motivated to act, maybe even happy, or maybe i would be too much afraid to make things worst (but if i have the knowledge, which doesn't involve pulling a trigger, i guess i would not be too much afraid to act)

This is exactly why we have a seperate judicial system; emotional thought is beset with inaccurate knowledge, which does involve pulling the trigger...

Edited May 4May 4 by dimreepr

11 hours ago, dimreepr said:

This is exactly why we have a seperate judicial system; emotional thought is beset with inaccurate knowledge, which does involve pulling the trigger...

i don't understand what you mean

11 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

i don't understand what you mean

How do you know when someone/thing is suffering?

3 hours ago, dimreepr said:

How do you know when someone/thing is suffering?

It depends on the context, physical pain can be seen with noises/actions associated with stimuli that has caused harm. An example of this would by a fish who's lung what just stabbed, you can visibly see it losing breath and bleeding.

Pretty sure that animal is dead now, OP is it?

On 5/5/2025 at 1:59 PM, dimreepr said:

How do you know when someone/thing is suffering?

I don't follow i'm sorry

edit:

i think you meant i should reconsider about imagining taking the decision to end the life of an animal

Because i might make the mistake of preventing a saving or making the pain worst

in that case, i agree it can be dangerous/regrettable

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On 5/5/2025 at 5:36 PM, Sohan Lalwani said:

Pretty sure that animal is dead now, OP is it?

Lol there was no animal i was just wondering what to do in case it happens to me

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Conclusion:

i'm walking on a sidewalk

I see a cat got hit by a car, i see it is in agony, crushed, then i get to believe it will die in few minutes in agony

I have no gun, no knife

What i will do is -> I don't know

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I should contact the SPA as Phi for All recommended, to ask them what they think i should do

Edited May 10May 10 by raphaelh42

23 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

Conclusion:

i'm walking on a sidewalk

I see a cat got hit by a car, i see it is in agony, crushed, then i get to believe it will die in few minutes in agony

I have no gun, no knife

What i will do is -> I don't know

If the cat was a human, I'd hope you'd call an ambulance and thus transfer your decision to an expert, rather than commit murder; ethically it's dodgy ground, in terms of a cat... 😉

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

If the cat was a human, I'd hope you'd call an ambulance and thus transfer your decision to an expert, rather than commit murder; ethically it's dodgy ground, in terms of a cat... 😉

i agree i'ts more complicated if the cat is a human

My dad had a goat and one day he foud it dying in agony (maybe it would have survive, i know), maybe poisoned or something, he killed it to make its (their) pain stop

He just told me today that he did it by breaking its cervical vertebrae, a quick and strong movement

So i guess what you see in horror movies is true when it occurs on humans, in the end i guess this is what i could do, to answer the question of this thread

I didn't expect it's really doable on animals of this size

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regarding if the cat was a human, that makes me think about the movie "Million Dollar Baby", there the agony is mental i think

Edited May 11May 11 by raphaelh42

On 5/10/2025 at 8:22 AM, raphaelh42 said:

I don't follow i'm sorry

edit:

i think you meant i should reconsider about imagining taking the decision to end the life of an animal

Because i might make the mistake of preventing a saving or making the pain worst

in that case, i agree it can be dangerous/regrettable

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Is there visible pain, is it immobile, how would you come to the conclusion its hurt?