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What I remember understanding about quantum mechanics, is that the state/value of an/some atom, gets set when you measure it. Before you do, it's not set yet, but is in some superposition state. I would say that firstly, the moment you decide to measure it is not random, just as when you decide to turn on the TV at 8:05PM instead of 8:10PM It seems to me it's obvious that there is causes that made you decide to measure instead of not measuring, and why you did it at that exact time Regarding the state/value the atom takes, i believe it's not random either: the result is caused by some rules we are not aware of (or do we?) Unfortunately i don't have a lot of knowledge about science to give a more professional answer Please let me know if what I said about my understanding of quantum mechanics is true and if my answer was relevant to your question

hi for my notepad i'm trying to find if there is an existing term/Wikipedia page about the fact of searching/finding the explanation about how/why stuff exists Is cosmology the ultimate thing? Imagining the universe might be contained in something else, is there a term about going to the root? Imo it's difficult to imagine going to the ultimate origin of things, until there is nothing at all I can't imagine something coming from nothing I can't imagine something always existed So my belief now is that the human brain or just mine lol is currently not able to conceive/understand what is everything I guess the answer goes beyond the existing words, above "all" and "none" But yes if you know a term to indicate the search of the answer to ~ "finding the origin if existence", i would like to read it regards

What do you mean what about it?

xD @TheVat I will watch the video when I'll have more signal @dimreepr I can't prove one is real, neither is not, regarding determinism i totally believe in it, for me it's obvious. but regarding the 2 others, wich are closely related seems to me, sometimes some events give me feelings i somehow generate the reality i live in, like when dreaming... Do you believe in one of these 3 "theories"? @toucana Thanks a lot for all these info, I will read more about that when i'll get more signal Yesterday I saw a toucan for the first time in my life, a wild toucan, it was mainly black (i spend most of my time in french guiana forest since 3 months) These kind of events, after seeing your username, gives me the feelings i mentioned above to dimreepr But yes it's normal sometimes rare coincidences occur... Sometimes when one of these occur, I have a feeling some bug or access in the (eventual) simulation got reached, for some reason If the simulation hypothesis is true, i hope it's not "solipsistic" please don't take it personal i evoke the fact you might not be real (lol) yes i have in mind i might be talking to myself if it's true If it is true, imo that's horrible I have a feeling that when you die you automatically get the answers to all these questions Sorry I know i bring subjects by sharing feelings instead of learning to make more professional texts

Why? Thanks, I will look into this

Hi I'm sorry I know my previous thread looked more like depressed thoughts rather that an invite to discussion about a precise subject I'm interested about solipsism, determinism, and the simulation hypothesis (which can make life a bit sad lol when you believe in these) Do you know if there is a theory saying things like: finality is death so it might be a "win" to reach it asap we are coded to try to live, being afraid to die, so maybe managing to do the opposite/hacking self preservation would be "the way to win" it might be smart to die asap to see what comes next instead of being "slave of self preservation" ? Do you see what I mean? Like the idea to hack/bypass the life and refuse to be a slave of self-preservation/happiness seeking etc, to go to the next step directly I could have asked chatgpt but i thought it was more interesting to ask you, to see if you have ideas/beliefs about this subject

sometimes i feel solipsism is highly possible and self preservation is just something there to make your death more distant for some reason maybe because when you die, you become conscious again in the real world, but it sucks there so you want to come back here and stay as long as possible, so you activate self preservation in the simulation hopefully there is just no more conscious when dying it's difficult to imagine how can you not be conscious, imo i envy Americans who have guns here in France when you want to die, you can't just press a button when you can die easily, when you want to, I believe you become able to enjoy life because it's no more a burden so difficult to get rid of although i don't deny pressing the trigger can be very complicated, but i doubt it's as much as the other means yes this topic has no questions, or clear "invite to discussion" Have fun locking it And if it stays open, don't tell me to go see a psychologist

dimreepr you are mistaken about what you just said but maybe you are right, and i don't want to see the truth, maybe i prefer to lie to myself, to feel less sad and less afraid maybe i'm just a frustrated person, and you, you are better than me, you, you know the truth

@swansont You forgot to mention the people in wheeling chair who can't do it either I think your life is richer in art, goods, services, entertainments, yes I don't consider the need to breath to be a barrier to freedom, unlike the need to have money to eat I said all I had to say regarding about how to reach what is in my opinion the best/raw/pure freedom I wish you all happiness

In fact it's simple, what do you think is more free, a wild animal or a human in society? With knowledge, and remoteness, a human can live like a wild animal i'm not saying to be free you have to spend your life alone in the wild, i'm saying that to reach pure freedom, you need to be able to do it that wouldn't prevent you from going in society when you want to to enjoy what it has to offer that wouldn't prevent you from staying all the time in society if you prefer to be in it

I wouldn't want to sleep in a forest owned by an individual, in France where i live there are public forests (either managed by the government, either by the municipalities), and it's forbidden to sleep there with a tent In some rare places, you're allowed to "bivouac", you have to pack up your stuff before like 8AM, and not allowed to deploy before like 9PM, and you can't do it more than like 2 days in a row I guess I don't need to precise if making a campfire is allowed or not, neither if you are allowed or not to cut trees to build shelter... I made some researches, these laws seems to be applied by all governments worldwide In fact it gets more clear to me now, I guess people don't give a damn about practicing that, so for them, freedom occurs obviously in society, like everything else fate made me take some marginal path, it has pros and cons I can just enjoy remoteness while there is still some

In my case it's mostly being able to build shelters without having to pay for the land Like make nice camps, make fire, sleep there... Fish without needing a license...

I guess we all have things we want to do when living in society but are not free to do because it's illegal what is it in your case? everyone feel free to share :)

None of the one you mentioned There is the freedom alone in the wild, where it's about knowledge to be comfortable And there is the the freedom in society, where it's about adapting to gov's rules I acknowledged in my first message that society has enjoyable art and tools to offer, and i also acknowledged that having friends and love is great. I think a lion that has no other choice but to be alone, is sad. And i believe a human that has no other choice than being with others, is not free

Did you have a bag full of tools like i had? In that case, I agree it can be quite accessible to spend the time comfortably If you didn't, i would love to hear about how you did meet your basic needs Yes unfortunately even with just a disabled arm, i don't think you could achieve the concept of freedom i evoked I know if you can somehow hack your brain/convince yourself of something, nothing is more powerful than that In my case i'm not interested about that, i think if tomorrow my body got very damaged,i would not be interested in living anymore and i would try to intentionally die, if i have the chance to even be able to move to achieve it. If i had children, i would probably want to stay alive to still try to help them I guess i should have say the "raw" freedom instead of "real"... I wanted to explain a freedom that is not a package of concessions to remain with others

If we all 8 billion suddenly wanted to go in the Amazon rainforest to do that yes i agree that would be a problem but that is not the case, most people want to live in cities and villages I totally disagree, if believe that if you have the knowledge, you can be able to live comfortably in the Amazon, without owning the land where you sleep and hunt, because it's very huge there I agree that probably regularly you could see some garimpeiros, more rarely some forest rangers, and some natives who think you are evil But you will see nobody most of the time for consecutive days If the real freedom came with no price, which a part of it is danger, that would be too easy, and when it's too easy, it doesn't seem to pay ########## ########## ########## I agree I haven't and I struggle to imagine how ones can if not knowing to live alone in the wild In fact i guess i just can't understand how you can really feel happy and free in society if you can live only thanks to it I totally agree, I shouldn't have talked about living in society, and stayed focused just on freedom Hmm in the end I guess there is two main types of freedom, the one in society which evolves according to what the others do (which imo is not really freedom but just trying to feel free) And the other one which occurs when alone in the wild, which i called real freedom here

Hmm this is something i feel I see everyday, everyone wants to be happy and free, but i feel people only want to achieve inside society/civilization And to leave in society, you need money, it's like the "pass" to be in So I conclude people want to reach freedom only thanks to money, and this is what frustrates me, and makes me feel lonely Hmm honestly no I feel more secure, less danger, when i'm in society During my experiment of the real freedom, each steps, i spent many energy to watch out for snakes not to die, but i felt really free Or no, i felt ~75% free, because if i didn't have the tools in my bagpack, obtained thanks to money, i couldn't have practice But I know that thanks to the knowledge i currently miss, i could have spend the time even more comfortably, with 0 tools, e.g. i wouldn't have need a lighter if i knew how to make friction fire I'm not sure to understand, freedom makes no sense when alone? I could try to do whatever I want, maybe i would fail and struggle for everything And i could not see people when i want to, hmm i guess it would be freedom yes, but it would be sad to know you have no choice to remain alone forever because nobody else exists I totally agree!! ^^ Btw I recommend this hilarious tv series: The Last Man on Earth

Yes I acknowledged in my first post that all lands on earth are claimed by governments, and that in some places it's so big and remote that police can't see you to enforce govs' rules, allowing you to imo reach the biggest freedom Yes I agree but my experience of the concept/way of freedom (let's call it real freedom here) I did share is not the thing to debate about, the thing is the real freedom itself I don't believe I should have shared this concept only when managing to practice it completely, with no tools at all I disagree, i think it is not, I evoked a concept, the concept is the subject, not my experience of it We can debate about the real freedom i mentioned but I will not about the fact I practice it good or bad, or not at all And i didn't say people should do it, i just shared an idea, an opinion, and until now it seems nobody offered a better/bigger concept of freedom than the one I shared And I made the sacrifice, I struggled a lot to learn the basics, and once again, the idea is not to spent your life like that, but to debate about the fact of learning to do it, to reach the real freedom

I think the most suited place to practice that is the amazon rainforest because: it's huge, you could always go further/deeper if you ever encounter police (yes you could also encounter a killer and have no signal to call them so they save you lol) you can't die from freezing no matter the period of the year (but i understood you can get hypothermia if you stay under the rain too long) there is a lot of water to fish (but beware of contaminated places because of garimpeiros) there is animals to hunt and wild edibles to find some people drink some creeks' water directly when they know it's ok (but you can and should learn to build a water filter from scratch, and recipient to boil from scratch too) if you want cleaner water, then there is alaska i guess, but it's not suited for our (new?) bodies because without fire/big clothes, you just die...... you need big preparation/knowledge to prevent troubles because of insects (and even some spiky trees it seems), i think the only animal who could/would really kill you there are snakes. I really see no better place I've slept 2 weeks in there recently, in my case i had a bagback with tools (my knowledge/skills is not the subject on this thread) But I felt so free, I could do like whatever I want, make fire, make noise to cut trees to build stuff, did fish, washed in creeks... Since, I don't feel the same anymore when I live in society because I know this place exists I agree seems to me when people think about freedom, they think about having it while being in the society But learning to meet your essential needs without money is not unobtainable, although I agree it maybe can seem very difficult... I mean it is... Freedom is so precious, that when i see people expecting to become able to reach it thanks to money, in society, that annoys/disgust me How can you expect to be really happy, feel really secure, if you can't feel free :( I hope that everyone i've hurt with this subject on Phi for All's thread are now understanding what i meant

I would like to try again to explain my opinion regarding the way to reach freedom First some facts and opinions and info mixed: If you are religious, you obey to rules others made, not to your feelings/thoughts, you can't prove a god exists and created us and wants you to apply the rules of your religion. Human creates enjoyable tools and art. Humans can help each others for entertainment, like to discover new planets, which is not vital. Humans can help each others for vitality like emergency physicians, who imo are heroes. Living in society can be satisfying, having friends, love, is great. If you have a job you like, you have a secure situation, earn a lot of money, you can live a very comfortable and satisfying life. If you have no money, there is a possibility that you are sad, and you struggle to wash yourself, find food, etc. If you have very small money, a job you don't like, there is a possibility that you are happy anyway. You can be rich today, and become poor tomorrow. You can be worried about having no money, and you can also not worry about it, maybe because you think you will always have some. A wild animal that breaks his leg, gets a disease, can't go somewhere where they get healed, because they didn't evolve in a way that provides such service. All lands on the planet are claimed by multiple organizations called governments. Governments enforces rules, if a human on its land don't apply them, he get punished. There are big places on earth that even if you don't apply these rules, you are so remote, that the people who makes the govs' rules being applied, police, will not see, then not punish you. An animal can live alone An animal can live in a group, where there can be a dominant An animal doesn't pay to eat, neither to sleep, his body is suited for his environment, and he has the knowledge to find food. Long time ago, when a human broke his leg, got a disease, he could easily die because they didn't evolve as we are today, with the services we offer. A human can learn to build tools from scratch, like snares, to hunt A human can learn to recognize wild edibles There are places on Earth where the water is so clean that you can drink it without filtering it. A human can make fire without lighter, by friction. A human can know how to meet his basic needs without money, and also enjoy living in society with money and work. A human can enjoy practicing living out of society, and also enjoy living in society. Imagine, you had the knowledge to meet your basic needs, comfortably, without money Imagine you know a big, remote, suited area to practice that I believe this is the best freedom you could get This doesn't mean you would have to spend your life alone like that It's just that if you were able to do this, you could reach the biggest freedom, when you want to. 2 questions: Can you mention a bigger/better freedom? Isn't it a shame/stupid to expect freedom on a land claimed by a government, where police can see you? #### Maybe we don't have the same expectations from freedom

^ I told you, now you are angry and you attack me because you don't want to accept that when you guys complain about freedom, it's just because the governments' rules don't match your liking, and you don't want to go live in the wild neither You can't do without the government infrastructures, you don't want to learn to do without it, yet you still complain about not being free because of their rules I forgot what you was talking about, sorry I said almost nothing in common with people We have in common interest to science, you guys are not random people I see when i go out Using a computer is not required to survive, unlike eating and staying warm Ah you thought i pretended I build a pc and i live alone in the woods?... anyway Ok i'm done reading what you sent to me, i don't want to spend no more energy for people who lie to themselves and refuse to understand what i said about where the real freedom is

It's true I don't like people a lot, I think it's because I find almost nothing in common with people Regarding leaving away from them I'm not sure, I absolutely want to know how to live away from them, to enjoy leaving with them, not as a dependency I've learned the basics, so today I feel free People in my life don't make me feel weak with their money and help though, I'm wondering what made you think that but I guess I either can't properly explain my point regarding freedom, or either living in society is so deeply inserted in peoples' mind that they can't understand what I mean

I just wanted to point out the fact that when people complain about freedom and justice, they don't see the real cause of their discontent The cause is not that the rules don't match their liking, it's because they don't know how to live free, where governments' rules don't apply They don't know that they can go live out of society, thanks to knowledge, like an animal, they live naked, with no tools, and they can eat, they can stay warm, without money, without rules. I guess the only rule of freedom is that you have to be stronger than the others

I didn't say I need freedom, I don't understand what you want/wanted to ask me exactly... I meant I believe that if you can eat and stay warm only thanks to money, or by being given from others, then you are weak My point was that imo the real freedom is to know how to live alone in the nature, only your body and the nature, not thanks to a bagpack filled with tools And yes of course even there you will not be free from breathing but i guess you understood what i mean, at least i hope so...

The problem is when you can live only thanks to human rules, i believe it makes you weak and always worried about having money for the essential needs So I disagree, i think trying and managing to live free of human rules can make you enjoy more living with human rules, less afraid of not managing to follow these rules, because you can do without Like building a cabin in a forest, making fire, hunting without a license etc: the essential needs i kinda got excessive about this part but i meant that since clothes help you stay warm and protected, then, to be free from human rules, you either need to know how to do without clothes, either know how to make them 100% by yourself