dimreepr Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 13 hours ago, Moontanman said: I think it's important to point out that Islam allows its followers to lie to non believers and that Dr Zakir Naik is one of the most prolific liars in the apologetic game. All the stuff that has been asserted here is nothing but baseless claims, before you start trying to use the koran to dictate reality you need to establish the that a god of any kind exists then you need to show that your god exists then we can (maybe) begin to debate the truth of the koran. BTW, good luck with the whole flying horse and splitting the moon in half. 8 hours ago, MigL said: When was the last time a Christian or a Jew got stoned ( not on drugs ) for adultery ? When was the last time a Muslim woman got flogged ( or stoned ) for adultery, or even for being raped ? Sadly it is never the men, even the rapists. ( so much for the rights of women, or even wives ) This is the 21st Century, all other religions realize that a religion based on thousand year old texts cannot be governance or the law. When is Islam going to realize that ? I think it's important to point out that a thousand year old text (God or no god) was written by people who were basically going through the same shit that we are today; and they were just a skilled (intelligent) as we are at living within our culture. There are some good idea's amongst the bad, even things like stoning adulterer's can be good, with the right cultural pressure; we are clearly inteligent enough to know that stoning people is not an appropriate punishment today. When are we going to realise that both Jesus and Mohamed got really pissed off with our banking system, for a reason? “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana Edited February 21 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, eninn said: Army and police officers / in Europe and America 🇺🇸 convert to Islam ☝️ ! Moderator Note Please stop posting videos to make your points. The thread is called YOUR THOUGHTS on Islam, so please give us those, and don't expect anybody to watch hours of video to figure out what your arguments are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 19 hours ago, eninn said: You must study Islam in specialized Islamic centers and not from anti-Islam websites and fake media There is a third option, "Denise there's some lovely filth over here". Edited February 21 by Phi for All video removed by moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, dimreepr said: When are we going to realise that both Jesus and Mohamed got really pissed off with our banking system, for a reason? Wow ! You really have it in for banks. What happened ? Did they deny you a loan 😄 ? ( everyone has the option of not using a bank, and living within their means ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 30 minutes ago, MigL said: Wow ! You really have it in for banks. What happened ? Did they deny you a loan 😄 ? ( everyone has the option of not using a bank, and living within their means ) Do they? You know much that is hidden, Oh Tim... Edited February 21 by Phi for All video removed by moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, dimreepr said: I think it's important to point out that a thousand year old text (God or no god) was written by people who were basically going through the same shit that we are today; and they were just a skilled (intelligent) as we are at living within our culture. There are some good idea's amongst the bad, even things like stoning adulterer's can be good, with the right cultural pressure; we are clearly inteligent enough to know that stoning people is not an appropriate punishment today. When are we going to realise that both Jesus and Mohamed got really pissed off with our banking system, for a reason? “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana When are we going to realize that living our lives in accordance with ancient mythology is a bad idea? Sadly the fundies that think their book has to rule the lives of everyone and that their particular fairy tale has to be the law of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: When are we going to realize that living our lives in accordance with ancient mythology is a bad idea? Sadly the fundies that think their book has to rule the lives of everyone and that their particular fairy tale has to be the law of the land. Dirty Harry, just asked a question, jeez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, eninn said: Army and police officers / in Europe and America 🇺🇸 convert to Islam ☝️ From Atheist to Imam! - Stressful Shahadah Moments! @UTICAMASJID Why did these 5 Scientists Finally Accept Islam Over 1000 American Soldiers Accepts Islam I Wanted To Kill Muslims — Now I Am One | AJ+ Miss Czech converts to Islam Why would any of this matter? The number of people who accept something as true has no bearing on the actual truth of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Why would any of this matter? The number of people who accept something as true has no bearing on the actual truth of it. Indeed, a third way... Edited February 21 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, dimreepr said: There is a third option, "Denise there's some lovely filth over here". 13 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Do they? You know much that is hidden, Oh Tim... 10 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Dirty Harry, just asked a question, jeez... ! Moderator Note Please stop posting videos to make your points. This thread is called YOUR THOUGHTS on Islam, so please give us yours. Also, it would help a great deal if you could be less glib and vague when trying to discuss complicated subjects where the participants might already be struggling to understand the language. Quoting comedy sketches is particularly unhelpful wrt discussion as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Dirty Harry, just asked a question, jeez... Ask all the questions you want, stop trying to make excuses for people who only want to limit your personal rights by making you conform to books of ancient mythology. If the banks need to be reformed do so but giving ancient fairy tales as a guide because a supposed god said so is madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufofrog Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, eninn said: So they undermine the clear proofs establishing that there is only one God and that His Messenger has brought the truth. There is no proof or even any evidence that there is a god. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, eninn said: 1- Dear readers, if Islam is what they say, why is there all this attack on Islam and the waste of the Muslim’s right to respond in any way and give the reader an opportunity to decide for himself the right path? Why do he keep you away, laugh, and belittle your minds the church’s paid mercenaries, for they are employees who keep you away from the truth However, their families, daughters and sons convert to Islam every day God says in the Qur’an 9:32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Abridged Explanation of the Quran The disbelievers from all the various religious groups who disbelieve by making up wrong beliefs and rejecting Muhammad ( peace and blessings be upon him ), wish to eradicate Islam. So they undermine the clear proofs establishing that there is only one God and that His Messenger has brought the truth. However, Allah will not allow anything to stop His sacred path being perfected and being made clear. He will raise His Religion above everything else, even if the disbelievers hate that, and if Allah wills something, others are powerless to prevent it. 2- God is God (the Father) Jesus is a prophet of God, not a god, and is not equal to God The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel, peace be upon him, transmitting revelation from God (the Father) to the prophets A person who is arrogant and denies the existence of God (the Father) I tell him, God gave you your life when you die and your soul leaves your body Can you, poor, weak person, return your soul to your body and life?! You need to know that you are nothing without God's grace And you must adhere to good manners with God Scientific Proof for an Atheist on Existence of God - Dr Zakir Naik youtube Christ rejects Christians on the Day of Judgment! ...Hashem with a Christian woman in the speakers’ corner youtube https://www.facebook.com/100059866625821/videos/723196365989472 The pastor converted his entire church to Islam youtube https://www.facebook.com/100059866625821/videos/109341852219160 3- Islam is a comprehensive way of life to guide humanity and solve its problems As well as the mercy of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to people, whether friends or enemies Whereas other systems have failed to solve humanity's problems Because the laws and laws of the Creator of humans have no flaws But human laws and laws have flaws No matter how long it takes, God's religion remains and humans go I advise them to study the tolerant Islam Islam is a comprehensive way of life By eating, sleeping and praying, taking a bath and making transactions between people Religion is not just a ritual Pray and then go out to lie and drink alcohol and lack of hygiene and adultery Like other religions most christians dont even follow their own faith, they just carry it as a sort of "name" in their ID card or on their facebook status becoming a muslim, means to "give in to GOD and to honor and obey There are many people, by the grace of Allah, who have converted to Islam They left alcohol, gambling, usury and drugs But before they converted to Islam, they couldn't leave all of these things Doctors could not cure their addiction because they returned to addiction every time Prisons couldn't keep them away from drugs And all the other religions or systems could not help them Islam, by the grace of God, is a way to protect and protect these people from bad things There are many examples of converts to Islam, relatives and friends in society You will be surprised to change their behavior for the better Islamic religion is really the right religion لماذا تستنجون بورق المرحاض وليس بالماء؟ - حوار منصور مع ملحدين youtube Why do you use toilet paper and not water? Mansour's dialogue with atheists in the speakers’ corner youtube Dr.Zakir Naik - Islam The Solution For Problems of Mankind (Full youtube فتاة بريطانية تسافر مسافة طويلة لتسأل حمزة عن الإسلام في نهاية رائعة youtube If you want to convince anyone of the existence of your god I would suggest you start by not using the ignorant lying sack of steaming monkey shit called Dr. Zakir Naik as a source. The number of people who are converting to islam or the number of people who believe islam is meaningless. You need to provide empirical evidence for the existence of a god then we can discuss whether or not your god exists until actual testable evidence is given all you are doing is preaching and that is not allowed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 22 hours ago, Moontanman said: When are we going to realize that living our lives in accordance with ancient mythology is a bad idea? Sadly the fundies that think their book has to rule the lives of everyone and that their particular fairy tale has to be the law of the land. 22 hours ago, Moontanman said: Ask all the questions you want, stop trying to make excuses for people who only want to limit your personal rights by making you conform to books of ancient mythology. If the banks need to be reformed do so but giving ancient fairy tales as a guide because a supposed god said so is madness. Did you even read my post? On 2/21/2024 at 1:36 PM, dimreepr said: I think it's important to point out that a thousand year old text (God or no god) was written by people who were basically going through the same shit that we are today; and they were just a skilled (intelligent) as we are at living within our culture. There are some good idea's amongst the bad, even things like stoning adulterer's can be good, with the right cultural pressure; we are clearly inteligent enough to know that stoning people is not an appropriate punishment today. When are we going to realise that both Jesus and Mohamed got really pissed off with our banking system, for a reason? “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana I've never advocated that we should adhere to any old text without any sort of critical thinking, but a good idea is a good idea despite who wrote it; denying that kinda makes one religious. The American constitution for instance, is currently heading towards the sort of conditions that inspired people like Jesus, Mohamed, Gandhi and Mandela, The constitution had some great idea's, until the word amendment was, somehow, defined as unchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVat Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Moontanman said: the ignorant lying sack of steaming monkey shit called Dr. Zakir Naik As a monkey, I do not appreciate this slur against my elimination products. It's both speciesist and fecalist. I am quite proud of my trophic cascade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufofrog Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Moontanman said: the ignorant lying sack of steaming monkey shit called Dr. Zakir Naik as a source. Don't hold back so much, tell us what you really think. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/21/2024 at 4:33 PM, Moontanman said: Why would any of this matter? The number of people who accept something as true has no bearing on the actual truth of it. Fifty billion flies... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Unfortunately, 'truth' is subjective, Moon. I'm somewhat mentally lethargic today. What is the meaning of "Fifty billion flies ..." ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, MigL said: Unfortunately, 'truth' is subjective, Moon. I'm somewhat mentally lethargic today. What is the meaning of "Fifty billion flies ..." ? I disagree, truth is that which comports with reality, truth by definition has to be objective. 50 billion flies refers to the old saw about "Eat shit, 50 billion flies can't be wrong" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 hours ago, Moontanman said: I disagree, truth is that which comports with reality, truth by definition has to be objective. Why? If that's an extention of "relativity", you should know, that it doesn't work for everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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