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Unfortunately Biden is almost as nice as a Canadian ( people so nice that they become incapacitated at 4-way stop intersections ) so will not opt to send Seal Team Six to send Donald to sleep with the fishes.  Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, however, might want to watch their respective asses.

11 minutes ago, CharonY said:

The ramifications are pretty bad and not only for the Jan 6 lawsuits.

Indeed.  

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1 hour ago, iNow said:

Biden should use old age to his advantage, leverage his newly confirmed immunity re: exec actions as per SCOTUS decision today, and send Seal Team 6 to turn DJT into a wet spot.

By the time they rethink their ruling and sort out whether or not it’s really truly okay for our prez to do this, Biden will be long deceased.

Win/win 

I think getting them to rethink the ruling by Biden doing something out of his normal professional ballpark that reflects the potential scope of the new law and what the GOP are doing and setting up for. It could deflect their plans. A plan such as this Intercept article suggests. 

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The Supreme Court Wants a Dictator
The right-wing court is engaged in a radical revolution to upend U.S. democracy.
 

https://theintercept.com/2024/07/01/supreme-court-trump-presidential-immunity/

 

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According to this SCOTUS, the president can use their office to overturn an election as long as they do so officially, and they can use their power over the military (which they assert is basically absolute) to order assassination of rivals, even though they may be doing so for personal gain and personal vengeance. Also apparently this same king-like entity according to this court in parallel cannot cancel student loan debt, nor adopt clean energy requirements, nor mandate vaccination during a pandemic as those would be a bridge too far. 

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3 hours ago, iNow said:

Also apparently this same king-like entity according to this court in parallel cannot cancel student loan debt, nor adopt clean energy requirements, nor mandate vaccination during a pandemic as those would be a bridge too far. 

Look, it is simple. The presidents cannot do these things, if they wants to stay within confines of laws and accepted norms, as the founders did not explicitly tell them that they could. However, there are no repercussions if they decide to act unlawful and say, force vaccinate folks and shoot people who pollute the environment. The distinction is very important because of reasons.

Also, it is great that no candidate would ever even have a shot at the presidency if they openly proclaim that they want leverage the presidency to exact vengeance and end democracy, right?

I mean, that would just be too ridiculous to even consider.

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35 minutes ago, iNow said:

So absurd it’s now probable and likely 

Sometimes, all we can do, is to judge when it's best to batten down the hatches and ride out the storm...

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3 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Sometimes, all we can do, is to judge when it's best to batten down the hatches and ride out the storm...

Perhaps, but right now is not that time, IMO. Right now, we must not be passive in the face of the approaching storm. We need to stop whistling passed the threat of fascism and authoritarianism, stand up, and support what we believe in... en masse, with intensity, and without pause. 

When the hurricane approaches, you work together to stack sand bags, install plywood on the windows, ensure availability of food and water, and move to higher ground where possible. You don't just sit there defeated and reliant on the power of prayer and positive vibes. 

Inaction favors those who are actively doing evil things. 

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10 minutes ago, iNow said:

Inaction favors those who are actively doing evil things.

It always does, the problem is, what is evil? 

And when is inaction, best for the family.

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Just now, dimreepr said:

what is evil? 

I'll defer to the active discussion taking place within thread as the current relevant context

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12 minutes ago, iNow said:

I'll defer to the active discussion taking place within thread as the current relevant context

Trump isn't evil, he's just greedy, but aren't we all???

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Do people think having Trump's fraud sentencing delayed until September might be a good a thing and bad for Trump and GOP because it will more likely to be to the fore in voters minds come November?

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2 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Do people think having Trump's fraud sentencing delayed until September might be a good a thing because it will more likely to be to the fore in voters minds come November?

Hard to tell, as norms are out of the window. I doubt that anyone has enough insights to accurately predict, well, anything at this point. We are so deep in unexplored territory, we should give it a proper name at this point. And I have the weird feeling that things are only going to accelerate.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, CharonY said:

We are so deep in unexplored territory, we should give it a proper name at this point.

The Misanthropocene could work 

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Quite frequently authoritarians are depicted as highly intelligent schemers who somehow seduce the public to give them all the power. Meanwhile, we see how a reality show celebrity stumbles its way to dictatorship while pretty much messing up everything he could on the way. Yet he still gets it handed to him (talking about privilege). Can we cancel reality? After all folks are talking about cancel culture all the time, aren't they?

 

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13 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Quite frequently authoritarians are depicted as highly intelligent schemers who somehow seduce the public to give them all the power. Meanwhile, we see how a reality show celebrity stumbles its way to dictatorship while pretty much messing up everything he could on the way. Yet he still gets it handed to him (talking about privilege). Can we cancel reality? After all folks are talking about cancel culture all the time, aren't they?

 

Have you tried pin dolls?

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5 hours ago, CharonY said:

Hard to tell, as norms are out of the window. I doubt that anyone has enough insights to accurately predict, well, anything at this point. We are so deep in unexplored territory, we should give it a proper name at this point. And I have the weird feeling that things are only going to accelerate.

 

 

Yep. It feels like the SC majority are now becoming more naked and proactive in their support of the GOP by bending or obfuscating the interpretations of the Constitution to support them and Trump in the long term.

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38 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Yep. It feels like the SC majority are now becoming more naked and proactive in their support of the GOP by bending or obfuscating the interpretations of the Constitution to support them and Trump in the long term.

They’re also seizing more power for themselves and away from agencies by reversing chevron deference. 

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Indeed, in many ways SCOTUS positions itself as the kingmaker, defining what can and what cannot be done. 

I may be overthinking this, but some of the arguments I have read are so convoluted, they remind me of how priests interpret scripture. I.e. with an outcome in mind then work backwards to justify it using interpretation of the holy script.

 

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6 hours ago, iNow said:

They’re also seizing more power for themselves and away from agencies by reversing chevron deference. 

Packing the court isn't such a bad idea now, is it? I think it may be 'gloves off' time and start using every legal lever to keep the GOP down until they change course. All I'm seeing now is a slimy bunch of grifters, Even the UK Tories are starting to embrace the GOP ideas... yuk!

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Regarding packing the court. More members should restrict/stabilize how far the partisan needle swings from side to side. When someone retires or dies, the adverse effect on decision making would be reduced. If the Dems took it to 13, that would give them a majority. This is what I mean about 'gloves off' that I mentioned earlier. It can't be done this session though.

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14 hours ago, CharonY said:

Quite frequently authoritarians are depicted as highly intelligent schemers who somehow seduce the public to give them all the power. Meanwhile, we see how a reality show celebrity stumbles its way to dictatorship while pretty much messing up everything he could on the way. Yet he still gets it handed to him (talking about privilege). Can we cancel reality? After all folks are talking about cancel culture all the time, aren't they?

 

This is where religion gets caught up in the maelstrom of reality, anyone who calls for calm is seen as manipulating the sheeple for their own end's; few people wonder why it's wrong to be happy with the herd...

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17 hours ago, iNow said:

The Misanthropocene could work 

LoL.

Wevecene better.

5 hours ago, StringJunky said:

Even the UK Tories are starting to embrace the GOP ideas... yuk!

Really sorry to hear that.  It's like a brain virus.

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8 minutes ago, TheVat said:

LoL.

Wevecene better.

Really sorry to hear that.  It's like a brain virus.

Yep. Like electrons, people default to the lowest available energy level, or, one could say people move and think in the path of least resistance. :) 

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Starting to think RFK Jr. could be more a spoiler for DT than Biden (or any other Dem).  His responses are sounding more Trumpian and bizarre as the campaign progresses.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/05/robert-f-kennedy-jr-september-11

Of course third party candidates often lose momentum in the fall, so his present 8% slice could dwindle to insignificance.  More people will say they like third party candidates than actually bother to vote for them.  Still, his brand of conspiracy mongering and dismissal of sexual assaults could attract some disaffected Trumpians who still prefer a weirdo with a raw and unfiltered outsider vibe.  

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