Moontanman

Both of you are of course correct, our current understanding of warp travel make them impractical if not impossible but IMHO I think it's a bit premature to "wipe warp drive" off the table. The hypothesis has changed greatly in the short time since it was proposed. Originally it needed more energy that is contained in the entire universe to work. The metrics have changed several times and I see no reason to say they cannot change further as research continues. I'm not saying warp drive will be possible but nothing would indicate it will not change further as research continues. If nothing else warp drive would be a great way to travel slower than light, this would open up the entire solar system in a way that we only dream of today. Also there are "warp drives" that do not use negative energy, in fact there are a great many different variations on the concept of warp drives.

That is not an answer, I could say the same thing when asked could they visit us. No they do not, physics is a non answer, it begs the question "why do physics prevent or allow" what ever the question is.

Really? A UAP landing near a school was debri from a satellite reentry?

Unless you are thinking of instantaneous communication this is not true. Travel takes a finite amount of time, you could not travel back to a time at your launch site before you launched. https://youtu.be/an0M-wcHw5A?list=PLh5Kb8DlWT5h8diVqIFyASeFv0XbWn4KA 06:53 This video explains why ftl is time travel but I think i see a problem with the explanation, they assume that a signal can be sent and that a STL ship could hear it and signal back at FTL speeds. I think if the FTL signal is impossible due to time travel because of the ship signaling backwards in time if you eliminate the FTL signal and have a FTL space craft that is casually isolated from the universe when traveling that paradox is avoided. Many versions of warp bubble travel state that the space craft is casually isolated.

You keep saying that aliens cannot or would not visit us, can you defend that statement?

I would suggest you have little to no knowledge about evolution or the forces that drive it. Evolution is a fact, it happens, irreducible complexity is a creationist fallacy that was proved wrong in court in the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trail. While random mutations do occur they do not drive evolution. Since this is off topic i will not give a detailed defense of the science behind evolution.

The warp bubble isolates you from the rest of the universe while its on. Of course that makes steering a bit of thrill!

If I understand the current crop of FTL warp drives that are being proposed the spacecraft is causally isolated from the rest of the universe and this stops the time travel aspects.

Rare Earth was a great read but the concept has been shown to be a bit harsh if not completely irrelevant. Most of the rare earth parameters have been shown not to be so rare. The formation of the moon was one of the parameters that impressed me when I read the book but studies have shown that such large impacts are quite common and all the solar systems inner planets probably experienced such impacts. The formation of a large moon is probably not particularly rare.

Hmmm... Starts at 01:20 or so to 03:00 ... no evidence of course only my blind speculation based on what is possible.

One quarter impulse is supposed to be 1/4 the speed of light, much better than what we can do now... but the point that "impulse drive" is fantasy as described in Star Trek stands Impulse drive in Star Trek is supposed to be a fusion drive that most of the exhaust and waste heat is expelled into subspace. NASA on the other hand has a different idea; https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/02/03/ultimate-ev-engine-this-nasa-funded-space-drive-requires-no-fuel https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2018_Phase_I_Phase_II/Mach_Effect_for_In_Space_Propulsion_Interstellar_Mission/

It does seem to point out the versatility of Boron and in fact Boron does rival carbon in its versatility but Boron has some extreme drawbacks. The rarity of Boron is probably the most significant, free Boron is explosive in an oxygen atmosphere and Boron "oxide?" is a solid at the temps water is liquid but it does dissolve in water (makes your laundry squeaky clean as well) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry This may be interesting; https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265737139_Alternative_Chemistries_of_Life https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/alternative_forms_of_life.html https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/boron-based_life.html

Most if not all of these technologies would require what is known as "Clark Tech" or from our point of view "magic" I have my doubts that a star trek like leap in technologies is in our future at any point. The entire premise of Star Trek was the discovery of a new layer of reality, warp tech, subspace tech, and sometimes they talk about hyperspace, that sort of reminds me of the leap mankind made after the discovery of magnetism and electricity the control or use of both. Our entire civilization is based on electricity and magnetism, I have severe doubts we will ever make such a discovery again or that there even is one waiting to be discovered.

Yeah the good old days, hypography has gone down hill rather drastically.

Not necessarily, aliens of one or several species could inhabit the Kuiper belt living in O'Neil type habitats or many other configurations. They could indeed avoid planets for many reasons but a planet with a burgeoning civilization may tempt specialists to observe us, especially since they inhabit our solar system. This idea of inhabiting many planetary systems could suggest that the galaxy is full of intelligent life but planets would be avoided this still leaves room for colonization of the galaxy and nearly every star would be a candidate, not just stars with habitable planets. There are elephants that have taught themselves to speak human languages. On in Korea speak Korean, maybe when we taught apes to use sign language we were picking the wrong species.

No wonder i think of swans on a lake of tea when i read your name! I was born on a mountain raised in a cave... no wait that's something else. I was raised a hillbilly but my adult life has been spent on the beach.

many many moons ago I was awakened rather rudely on the beach under a full moon, I was naked with a bottle of tequila in the sand beside me. They asked me what I was doing and I said getting a moon tan, the rest is infamy.

No I haven't, is it on a streaming service channel? $20 bucks is a bit steep for me.

I am a hillbilly, I apologize for my attempt at humor to try and defuse the situation. So you are asserting that if special pleading is part of the answer then it isn't special pleading? An interesting way to get around that logical fallacy. If the same instrument/person was being used for every measurement then you would have a point, this is not the case. Once the "measurement" has been made it isn't automatically accepted as fact, it has to be measured by many people using many instruments who are doing their best to prove the initial person/measurement wrong. It's called the scientific method and has done a pretty good job of sorting chaff from the wheat so far. I disagree, you are using a tactic often used by science deniers to muddy the water of any scientific theory, in fact I think your argument qualifies as solipsism, which in my personal view is a somewhat less that honest argument. I think you are certainly beyond an honest argument. Solipsism again?

I didn't ask you who created god, the special exception is special pleading no matter if it is part and parcel of the definition. You seem to be good at answers that make little to no sense except in your own world, I would suggest you try to pull your head out and answer more clearly. No one here is fooled by vague attempts to sound philosophical.

Special pleading anyone? Again special pleading. The egg, amniotes appeared before there were turtles. I'm not sure what you are saying here, care to elaborate? Again I do not understand what you are saying, can you elaborate in manner that us hillbillies can understand? Asking who created the flagellum or the ATP-proton pump is a loaded question. Such things are clearly the result of evolution via natural selection over vast periods of time no creator needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella

While acknowledge my experience in this is highly limited, I've known only one transgendered Male/Female, he/she was... trying to put this delicately, well I'll describe her, about 6'6, muscular, large breasts, huge feet and hands, almost a walking circus act. She went to our church I felt a lot of sympathy towards her, I had extensive talks with her and found out the transition had pretty much brought her life to a halt, she lost her kids to her ex-wife, lost her job because she couldn't stand the hostility from her co workers. Her life was a mess, a horrific mess. I hope it got better as time went on but I have my doubts, she left town for a job and I never saw her again. This was a horror story by any ones measure. This thread make me wonder if she would have been better off if the transition had started before or around puberty. One thing is for sure, the transition didn't affect her manliness and I have known very tall women before but she was a fish out of water for sure.

What about women who have transitioned to be male, are they competitive?

I can remember playing sports with girls when I was young, got my clock cleaned by a girl playing football when I was 13, she was 13, by the time I was 15 she was no longer able to dominate me physically, in fact we went to several dances together and she was significantly smaller than me by then. Base ball might be a different thing, girls were completive with boys, in sand lot baseball, all through high school.

I'm not going to read all 1200 posts in this thread but I would like to ask if anyone has thought of the idea of letting trans kids participate in a order by themselves? This is all above my pay grade, maybe i will skim through the posts after all.