dimreepr

Please explain...

Indeed, but only one of us is right... 🧐 Sorry, that's a bit too binary; it should read "but one of us is more right, you know, given the evidence!!!"

I agree, they have to play before a situation can arise... 😉

The only thing I can possibly disagree with in this statement is, that you get to decide... 🙄

But class is a stabalising feature in society, capitalism breaks class, it's the revolution that sows its own seeds...

That's a different question... Critical mass is reached when the shit creator's doesn't understand the value of the shit removers... It's more of an event horizon type deal...

I see, I think you might be missing some recent context (in this thread) to the question you quoted, unless you've swapped side's. My question isn't level dependent: It's, why don't YOU want that athlete/person (that's not you) to play that athlete/person (that's also not you) in a game you're not part of (other than in a voyeuristic/dogging sense)?

The ever widening wealth gap approaching critical mass, it's a little like Asimov's, Hari Seldon's psychohistory...

What do you mean?

No one gets to demand inclusion in any sport, whatever the level; I'd get some very strange looks if I demanded to be allowed to play with 12 YO girls. This is what I've been talking about, your bias is obvious, they're not allowed to play, whatever empirical evidence or logical reasoning is presented; basically what you're saying is, "we can all play, but not them against them, according to the book of me". So, we're back to my question, why not them against them, if both them's want to play? The difference is, our rebuttals aren't just plucked from our swimsuit area... 🧐

It seems to me that we're, finally, entering Marx's capitalist end game vision, so 'hopefully' we're not all doomed...

Then we're agreed, we should let them, not us, play...

In what way? Why would i refute that statement, it's a correct definition for loads of women; but what about the women born without a womb or some other needed single part? Or the people who want to be bald? Besides that still doesn't answer my question, it's yet another excuse to avoid it, which is quite telling... 🤒 You're going to have to back that up... Link please...

Not every game is won by strength alone, besides you can't know that before they play the game; and no, your suspicions doesn't count as fact, even if it seems so obvious; that's not the scientific MO 'Intoscience'. It's quite telling that the defence has yet to answer the very simple question, why do you object to them playing with someone who doesn't object to being played with? More commonly know as consent in the world of sex... 😉 WTF has this got to do with transgander athlete's? I bet your an old fashioned man's man, because you too are drowning in the plughole of excuses... You don't have to accept that the spectrum exists, you may not understand I accept that, but you must see that it's red, green and blue that colour's the world??? Sorry, if you're blind that's in bad taste... 🧐

It's just a question of why...

Indeed, but some are more biased than others...

I get it, you'll just pretend the awkward questions didn't happen, so it can't be a biased reply...

Are you going to report me again? That's a good excuse... 😉

It's clear for all too see, your bias is driving your thinking, and all I can honestly conclude is, the reason for that is, you fear they/women might beat you in a fight; then your no man at all... 🙄 But I'm an optimistic person, so please explain how I'm wrong in my thinking... Ask him... 🧐

And, I agree. Let me get this straight, you want us to define what a woman is, but without the necessary language to do so; hmmm, tricky... 🤔 what exactly is it that you know to be true? If it's what I think it is, that men are naturally stronger than women; then answer me this, can you lift more than a female (by your definition) olympic weightlifter?

An excuse that makes sense...

Nope, that's the excuse... The reason is, different...

You should read the parable of a madman, it's strangely prophetic...

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument is that the current efforts to include trans athlete's is to artificially maintain a standard model of hormonal balance, and that's the wrong way... I agree, but it's not a reason to stop them playing...

Sorry, I didn't realise that we can only talk about the drugs that you're familiar with, in this thread... I'll leave you to preach...😝