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Not my suggestion, I just want to let everyone play and see where the cream rises... How is that the demise of any sport? I agree, but "they" seem to think there are some...

But it would still make you a runner, just not a very good one by that metric, and how the f*&% would you know what it feels like? Just saying "I'd know" doesn't put your education at the elite level either, more at the level of putting your fingers in your ears and sticking your tongue out. Besides the bleeding obvious is, "if it walks like a duck (has breasts) and quacks like a duck (has no willy), it's a bloody duck, ducky" 🙄 My apologies for the oversimplification, everyone else... How does an outlier in any sport threaten the sport? Even if we use F1 as an example, when one car dominates the cry goes up this is boring, it'll destroy the sport; meanwhile the fans of the team/sport increases. And in that example the outliers are 1 in 10ish, in trans athletes it's 1 in 10,000ish by the number of athletic sport's. It's a huge stretch to imagine the demise of an entire sport just because the "wrong" person won, in fact it's ludicrous.

What proof did you have in mind? They can't have children "which is no-ones fault, not even the Romans", is that the measure of a woman? If so, I don't know how I'm going to tell my mum that she's turned into a man... 🙄

It's the same argument every year on "Strictly come dancing", he/she is going to win and they're a truely shit dancer, how is that fair to the dancers with a bit of talent. Well then they're wrong, because these people are women.

What effect and how, and to whom is it concerning? Other than JC

Elite sport's is essentially a beauty contest, it will shuffle itself, from miss/mr Stroud all the way to mr/miss World. My brother was entered into a miss Stroud contest (true story), he didn't win he came 3rd, I think it was honorary. 🤒 Every man/woman/person made rule is arbitrary and sport is nothing more than entertainment... I can understand why a woman (I can't understand why we're fixated on the female side of the argument, it goes both ways) elite athlete is complaining, because HER pay day is threatened; I can't understand why a @J.C.MacSwell is complaining, what's the threat to you?

Define worth... If you don't understand what I post, I can't help that but, you're welcome to ask... Why would you think my post count matters, over a well worded argument? I can only assume, you're bias doesn't allow or understand or value my input, but that's your problem...

I'm just guiding it to the sidings, don't kill me...

Page 61, "it's worse than I thought Dr, we're not even past misogyny" It seems that you have strayed OT.

How is anyone being decieved? If you want to have sex with <insert object here> then, if they're willing, shag away... Unless... You'd be ashamed to admit it, to the pub...

I didn't say you are homophobic, I heavily implied you are transphobic, read again if you don't believe me. I was just wondering if you would learn anything, if karma gave you the gift of a child that was certain about their sexuality despite the evidence. As are we all, it's just that most of us understand the nuances of life and biology; I fear this debate is a little over your head.

My apologies, it was intended as an ironic joke ("grow a pair" tits or bollocks, "The song/joke remains the same"), which I assumed JC got, given his reply. I had a friend like you, a real man's man (no homo😣), then karma gifted him a gay son, that taught him; would it teach you?

I hope I get the appropriate treatment... 🙄

I'm just suggesting that YOU think about it, I like to choose my own drug... Jesus, I can't believe you're still arguing that your drug is better than everyone else's; it's clearly off topic, grow a pair... 😉

Great, just as I said a rule adjustment, I'm not advocating a utopia, where everyone can compete, win lose or draw. No, I'm just suggesting that if someone is so convinced that they should be a wo/man, that they're willing to sufure through "mistermack's" to get a nip and a tuck and no end of pills, let them play with their peers; it's hardly setting us back to the time before women had the vote, is it? Hmmm 🤔, that's an interesting turn of phrase, are you suggesting that transexuals should be protected from themselves? Because that's kinda your vibe in this thread... 🧐 Besides you haven't answered my question, did you think about it? Page 60 now Dr, "I don't think so...🤔"

And you haven't understood my main point; sports have rules and those rules are set by the governing body. Rules change all the time, so why not let them play? How does their inclusion hurt anyone? Just frame the rules accordingly, sometimes 'they' might win at some game, so what? Coming second only hurts ones feeling's; or are you suggesting that the women are so fragile that we 'men' need to protect them from a butch female? Can you clarify what is meant by what you said?

Because maths actively work's toward a solution, life just works until it doesn't...

This whole argument can be summed up thusly; It's like Lewis Hamilton saying "It's not fair, Max Verstapen's got a girly shape!!! oh, and a better car" I honestly don't understand the defence's argument, bc as far as I know none of the participants in this thread, are directly affected by anyone of uncertain sexual tendencies, so why such a strong bias against their participation in any sphere of society? A question I think you should ask yourself @J.C.MacSwell. Sport is an arbitory measure of a specific quality, and like Cruft's the tighter the measure, the more likely it's going to spit out an aboration of some sort (cough, incest ect.). Open Cruft's to every dog and see the benefits for every dog. So, what you're saying is what Kellog espoused, wanking is bad for you, especially when you're fantasising about something I don't agree with... 😣

Why do WE need to compromise? 'It's' either accurate or not... 🧐

Officially, fairness = same effort = same reward; 'them' only enters the equation when I 'might' loose, something...

58 pages and counting, of a discussion about 'them' competing; "I'm Dr Who, I'm sorry I've lost my place, are we past racism yet?"

Kinda sums up my point to mistermack though.

Every sense is deludable, optical illusions, audible hallucinations, sea sickness, yawning, laughing (because they did) etc... Every sense we have both internal and external, helps us navigate life; so, which is more worthy of the epithet?

There you go again, hiding behind complexity to obfuscate; it's not arbitrary, the definition of my species is, someone can I successfully mate with it? Not something we can know about homo erectus, but I'd wager that I couldn't. Assuming I'm right, then the last homo erectus died when they could no longer successfully mate with the next evolutionary step of us; sure some of their genes servive in us, but then so do the genes of a worm.