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That's kinda machiavellian. But that is the point, why would it?

It's always Richard Feynman for me, he was so excited to explain; it was as contagious as a sneeze.

We need to trust the arbiter of truth, in order to be relaxed about it's output...

So did I then, I guess a couple of people were offended on your behalf; go figure...

No they didn't, there's nothing in historical record's that suggests that idea, while there's plenty of evidence to suggest they thought it was a globe. The map they did have was a social one, how to get along with their fellow's and how to defend against their aggressor etc. the truth of that map is still true today. There's a reason why the death of god scared Neitzche so much and why he spent so much time trying to think of a replacement. My point is, it doesn't matter what the facts are today, bc they will change tomorrow. My apologies @sethoflagos, it was intended as a joke but I was drunk at the time. 🙄

Never bet with more than you can afford to lose... 😉

And we're back to the start FFS... 🙄 If you're a true atheist, then god didn't write anything...

No, but what makes you think that your knowledge is more believable?

How do we know what seeds will bear fruit, If we don't plant them?

Indeed but as far as anyone can tell, the idea of a flat earth is only now/recently believed; does that mean we're getting stupider?

We all seem to be forgeting the context of this discussion, maybe the science of awe can bring some perspective to my position. I'm not saying god is true, but for some people god brings a sense of awe, that other's find on the summit of Everest; and for most it brings a sense of happiness among other thing's: The Power of Sharing Moments of Awe | Psychology Today Fundamentally all I'm saying is, the Quran contains a philosophy that's worth reading even for athiests. I don't, I'm just trying to hold up a mirror to your objections, then maybe you can see for yourself.

You have yet to explain, why it's a bad thing.

It depends on what you want to discuss?

I couldn't give a shit, is it important to you???

The saddest thing is, you believe that...

That's the Dawkins Delusion, I don't have a god therefore no one else can...

No, I'm saying my god is just as real as your's... What did you want it say?

The thing about a novel is, that only makes sense when it's contemporary.

But you are??? What makes you so special???

Wel obviously Reg, but what did the Romans ever do for us???

Indeed, but it's notable that you haven't accepted my challenge.

We all pick something to believe in, that doesn't mean any of them are more real, it just means that we trust one above the other. what evidence do we have? That I'm happier than you??? Science can't answer that question, all it can do is present a number that might be relative...

You're conflating what was politically expedient then with what is morally acceptable now, that's essentially cancel culture. You also seem to forget a number of thing's, for instance, Jesus had a particularly strong stance on the morality of stoning people, and your own countries founder's thought it was ok to have slaves, and Hitler didn't get his idea of genocide from a bible (as I've explained), and raping little girls has never been a religion specific pursuit. And you have a seriously flawed sense of reality. I challenge you to read the sermon on the mount and present a reasoned argument as to why it's morally unacceptable. You're making the mistake of conflating the morally abhorrent action's of apparently pious people, with what's written in the book they're holding up; there's good moral philosophy in the page's of the various bible's. So don't dismiss them out of hand, just dismiss the bit's you find morally unacceptable, but you must read them first.

Indeed, but it is a path to scientific understanding... The day after yesterday, would be my guess...🙏

Exactly... The kind that some people see, some don't want too look for and the rest are blind anyway. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with any of the Bible's if you read them with a good moral compass. Look what happened when Hitler read Nietzche. It is tangentially relevant... 😉