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It could just mean only listen to our teacher, bc they actually makes sense in this time and culture. I think this approach is intellectually dishonest, if we go back far enough of course we can chery pick the part where we didn't understand the difference between coralation and causation. They were still as smart as we are now and equally susceptible to confirmation bias, the only difference is, now we have cars and traffic light's, and a lot of people flashing their headlight's thinking that will turn the red lights to green bc whenever they're in a hurry it seemed to work.

I'm sorry I'm clearly not making my point, This post is basically my point, the more we interfere (healthcare) the closer we get to the "outside". It's my understanding that ethics is societies version of individually agreed average morals that are mostly tollerable. In this context, what's the difference?

Where does infinity fit in?

This is an ethical question, when is our morals not affordable, to which your answer is, minions who tell lies; get a better butler you idiot...

But they will... 😬

Life isn't binary, it's analog sometimes it's more than 1.

If only we could learn from history instead... No one really wins...

It's being undermined by morning TV, almost everyday they have a guest with a sob story, demanding they get a million pound treatment that will extend their life for 6 month's. WTF, how did you manage to showhorn my 'natural jingoism' into the discussion??? 🙄

Indeed, but since it's mostly written in metaphor and those, including @Hawkll, who don't understand the value of god/s, as a teachable moment, can't know that it's not the truth. If I could I wouldn't, it's fun watching you squirm in your certainty. It makes for one hell of a sitcom. 😅

I'm not advocating we selectively kill people, quite the opposite; H G Wells' "The War of the Worlds" is kind of the thrust of my argument. I believe there's a hypothesis that suggests children exposed to a mild viral disease develops a stronger adult immune system, I'm not suggesting we don't continue to vaxinate against the more lethal strains; anecdotally, having suffered adult chickenpox caught from a child with about 5 little red spot's. The cultural side of the argument, is the NHS a fine institution but one that's imploding under it's own weight, one example is the DNR (do not resuscitate), without one a Dr is obliged to keep that person alive, despite the Dr knowing that in doing so it can only prolong the suffering. The question is, is health, heathy?

If questioned we are sewerage operatives, with a licence to kill....

When we broke enigma, our ethics demanded that we let some people die to keep the secret and win the war; how is this question different?

Fair point, my apologies to everyone... This isn't just a biological question, (hence the ethics forum), evolution is also a cultural phenomena; my question is more about the path our wealth will lead us. I'm suggesting that our moral imperative to keep people alive, is leading us down a cul-de-sac, where the burden on society can only ever increase.

Point well missed... Indeed, but this is an ethical question, not a moral one...

One has to wonder if the noise of the many will crucifie the message of the one...

As promised a tangent to the child mortality thread: As the rich countries continue to develope ever more effective "cures and treatments", and so continue to live despite nature's 'intention' (yes I know, but let's not get sidetracked before we start), aren't we effectively shallowing our own gene pool to the point that we can't survive, for want of a better metaphor, outside?

In the context of 'your' topic, the fact that you don't get it, shows a lack of understanding the subject you chose to introduce (for some reason)... 🤔

Indeed, and quite possibly similarly misunderstood...

It relates to the topic title, Russia has never really embraced the concept of democracy bc it's never really tried to... Therefore the idea is foreign to our Russian brothers, and we're all against a foreign/er 'looking' idea...

You tell me...

That's a lot of bollox, that I couldn't be bothered to read, so not really...

If you live in Russia and have capacity to think logically, then surely you recognise the cultural stereotypes for what they are?

Of course you do, even if you are deluded. All we can do is study the bee and their apparent decision making process, we can't know if a bee knows itself. And as I said, natures AI is much smarter than Googles puny effort; Google uses the power of a small country to do what a properly trained bee hive can do, in the corner of my garage (which has no power supply)...

Something closely resembling sentience appears to emerge in a bee hive, nature's AI studio... 😉 Bee's are much smarter...

Like everything in life and human advances, this coin has two sides to it - in corporate environment they cause massive profits and advances and option's in their nations prospects. Sometimes our society need these people, such as war, where would we be if we couldn't 'let slip the dogs of war'? Without such people, we'd end up in a world war stalemate with all the soldiers deliberately aiming their weapons away from the enemy... 😉