dimreepr

Your conflating people's cultural bias/philosophy (their personal belief system) with a methodology that seeks to eliminate culteral bias. Theoretically science doesn't evolve, in the way society does; there should, at least, be a culteral 'seasonal lag'. Most religion's are born of some sort of conflict or hardship, they mostly espouse some sort of call for forgiveness in the hope of peace. It's politicos that call for war, mostly in the face of the forgiven bc we all know what sort barstewards the Samaritans are... 😉

Why would you think there isn't?

I think that's bc it's an attempt to explain the same idea but without a god as the ultimate enforcer, instead the idea of karma is introduced, as a different metaphor. Indeed, not everyone is equally capable of understanding the message, but everyone is capable of thinking they're a genius, despite the evidence; is that a uniquely religious quality, in these here part's?

And now your being dishonest, I've directly answered your post's with reasoned argument's. If you've run out of reasonable arguments maybe you should stop digging. Otherwise, the onus is on you to be more specific, and quote the post's you claim I've forgotten...

Bc that's often the word used as a derogatory term when applied to religion, but we're all indoctrinated into our own particular society. What metric would you use to test an emotional decision? How is that relevant? Why would you think a factory worker is dumb? You seem determined to miss the point; not everyone thinks like you and who are you to dictate what people should think. An ubermenche/superman is an ordinary human being, that understands the best way to survive our current culteral termoil, and be content with it and he also has the ability to teach that message to the majority of their society; not everyone has that particular ability as history can attest...

You could try not giving a shit, it works for me..

When science finally unveils the "truth", I think we'll see a big sign in the sky saying "Level 2". 😇 Every culture in history have teachers, how else do we indoctrinate the children with the ability to survive our culture?? Not everyone can be bothered to try, a working class culture often scoffs at the idea of academia bc it has no value when working down mines, the idea of a god protecting them is quite attractive... 😉 This sounds a lot like a middle class cultural attitude. Not everyone can understand, how else do we fill the factories???

I know.

The Nt kinda proves the OT wrong... Do you want me to provide the voices?

Someone had stab at this, they called it the 'selfish gene'; I'm not saying they're right, all the time, but sometimes I find it quite useful... 😉

It's not about the validity of the information, or it's testability, it's about the trust we put in the "truth" of the culture we grew up in. It doesn't, I'm just trying to emphasise that everyone has different capabilities; science, for instance, isn't very good at tackling emotional issue's, or finding a metric that measures contentment. But you seem to be suggesting that everyone can be a scientist, if they follow the "truth"... Would it matter? It's not a short-cut to understanding...

gee, if you say so...

Indeed a different draft of reality via our co-pilot...

Science is wrong now, but that doesn't mean that your right then...

Thanks for trying, thinking about it, I'm not sure what we could do if studies showed a validity to my argument; which one don't we vaccinate against?

I fully accept I'm wrong certainly genetically in terms of evolution and the points above. I may get myself confused sometimes, but I'm not trying to dodge a question or trying to win an argument. But I did wonder if there is any traction on the idea that our immune system is weakend bc of vaccines, sort of bc it's a weakened virus, when compared to a survivor of the full strength virus; I fully accept that not vaccinating is a stupid idea.

My point is, not everyone is capable of thinking beyond their teachers and if they're relatively content with their place in society, then they're quite happy to believe the truth of what they've been taught. Even in science, we're almost forced to believe in the teachers simply bc we aren't capable of judging a PhD paper, well 99% of us aren't and we're quite happy to so for similar reasons. Not every PhD is capable of teaching their ideas to those below their level of understanding.

The other side of that coin is, not everyone is capable of understanding why or who we should or shouldn't trust? I don't have a PhD, do you? The great thing about putting your trust in someone is, you have faith in them without question; I just question that authority bc I want to see the ugly, before I decide...

The truth can be ugly, whatever you have faith in; sometimes it's easier to believe what you're told by everyone you trust.

I'm not suggesting that we stop treating people against disease or that we stop cleaning the food prep area. I'm just pondering the possible cost bc the fundamental reality of life is, it's always a compromise; or to put it another way, there is no utopia.

But we should, at least, take them into consideration since we don't know everything...

What better way to start a war, than to point the finger at those that have no authority or political expression???

I'm not the best at explaing myself, as this thread attests. What got me pondering on this question is the thought that, does vaccination give us the illusion of herd immunity, when in fact it gives us herd susceptability, as in a monoculture? It's been suggested that our (weathy nation's) insistance on cleaning to the point of sterility, whilst being essential in an operating theater, may have created an epidemic of allergies. It was never about a dystopic future, it's more about the rich nation's hobbling themselves, whilst the poor nation's naturally evolve past us into a brief facsimile of a utopic flyby.

Why not?

Every ying has it's yang...