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No. Why would you think so? What are the mental gymnastics involved in such a question? Oh, FFS. It’s hardly an argument, when it contains intellectual dishonesty

Where did this red herring come from? We’re not talking about all criminal activity, we’re talking about police, who are supposed to protect and serve the public, and who should be held to a higher standard. We’re also talking about violent behavior. That’s not an instance of excessive force. I was short of straw before but now I have a lifetime supply. Sure. But you had only proposed screening for white supremacy Yes. If they had not tolerated such behavior, you might say...

Which wouldn’t have stopped George Floyd’s death, apparently. Zero tolerance for excessive force behavior, regardless of motivation, might have.

When one says “casts doubt”x it’s usually to deflect a claim. Does the motivation for police killing an unarmed, handcuffed, black man matter? Or are we only trying to stop white supremacist cops from taking black lives?

Was it alleged that he was? Does that make a difference?

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At some point when there are more outliers, they aren’t outliers anymore

Moving the goalposts. You’re talking about a scenario before he was apprehended. He was handcuffed. Presumably frisked. How many guns does a person have access to while handcuffed by police? How was he a threat to shoot anyone? Which isn’t the issue here. But for the sake of argument, let’s say he had a gun before being disarmed and handcuffed. Would that justify the policeman’s actions?

Which irrelevant to the incident being discussed. Unarmed and handcuffed. You could, I dunno, ask the people to disperse as a first effort. You could avoid being the ones to initiate violence.

bryozoa has earned a short suspension for some posts that are rather astounding in their level of denial and appeal to conspiracy

Great, you’ve watched Robocop. Will you answer the question?

You like it when police are brutal? What circumstance justifies being brutal?

Anthropogenic Global Warming.

I doubt that this will exert the desired pressure at the national level; that will require follow-through in November. Locally, though, some governments are listening. Others, not so much. (I wonder if de Blasio will bother running for reelection)

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Please stop saying things that you haven’t researched, and for which you provide no evidence. I would imagine plenty of people supported abolition only as a tool for ending the war, and it didn’t pass before the south seceded. I don’t see how you can assert a wide movement and moral progress and goodwill as if a switch was flipped and everyone embraced equality.

I assumed no such thing, and did not say anything about “natural appearance”

Undoubtedly people feel pressure to do so, but many are fighting back against this. Your “solution” is rather extreme.

I don’t have that information. I beg you, stop. Why should any minority have to change who they are to conform to bigotry-driven “norms”?

Why does there have to be a motive? It’s not like there is a final goal in mind. Yes. There are people who hate others just because of the color of their skin. They have been taught this hate by others who hate people just because of the color of their skin. You can substitute religion, gender, sexual orientation, and other attributes here. Surely you’ve noticed. You should stop digging.

You should take this advice. You can start your education by reading up on Jim Crow laws and the KKK. Minority disenfranchisement occurs to this day. Then you can revisit your position that nobody impeded blacks’ rights to vote, or ability to engage in business, etc.