kenel Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Just recently, the son of Baseball great Ted Williams had his deceased father "frozen" in expectation of a future revival. At a cost of $120,000, one could have "whold-body freeze"; or for the cheap a "head freeze" for $50,000. Here’s how the procedure is done: After a declaration of death, the body is put on a heart-lung machine for transfer to the freezing facility. The body is cooled in an ice bath, the blood is replaced with a preservative solution, and as much water as possible is drawn out from the remains — so as to avoid cellular damage from ice crystals. Then the body (or just the head) is cooled to around 320 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, using a liquid-nitrogen cryogenic system, and stored in a vacuum chamber until scientists figure out how to revive the body and repair the damage. (The longer you wait to start the process, the higher the chance of cell damage.) Now my question...Is there any chance at all that this could work? It is expected that scientists will develop nanoscale robots that could course through the bloodstream, repairing the cellular damage caused by post-death deterioration and the freezing process. Eventually, the fantasy world of the widely known Terminator movie series, will come true. We [those who "freeze" themselves] will become no longer of human origin, but created of silicone internals. Our soul (for those who believe in God) will have already left the body, and our bloodstream full of "nanocsale robots". It seems to me that scientists seem to play the role of God fairly well, or so it seems. It is hoped that in the future, a patient will be able to be revived for as little as $3. Simpsons Quote: "We've frozen Mr. Burns until the scientists develope a cure for 14 stab wounds to the back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 It's been done. Not on humans yet, but some species of frogs have been cryogenically frozen and then brought back; with seemingly the same personality and everything else. It might take 100 years or more to get to humans, but eventually I think we'll get there, though the initial cost of revival will be alot higher than the cost of freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 hat would be kind of cool. To be brought back to life. But kenel does have a point. You wont be you anymore. Youll be something else. Your soul will be gone, but just a body to remain. I don't know about you. But when I die, I most likely want to remain dead. maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Who's to say your soul wouldn't re-enter your body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenel Posted July 10, 2002 Author Share Posted July 10, 2002 I'll let God answer that question for you... God: "Your soul would not reunite with your body" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Thanks God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenel Posted July 10, 2002 Author Share Posted July 10, 2002 God: "You are welcome my son; Live Long and Prosper" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Why not just store our brains on computers for later implantation into a new body? Same person...rigth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I suppose its a bit beyond our technological capabilities right now. Bit in the future it may not be. Faf, you should make this happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenel Posted July 11, 2002 Author Share Posted July 11, 2002 Blike, you're the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 what's a soul then? how heavy are they, and can I have one? interesting point about computer storage blike... it would be a good copy of you, but it wouldn't be you. but then could the same be said for each time you go to bed at night, you fall into a state of unconsciousness, and wake up in the morning, but is that still the you from yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenel Posted July 28, 2002 Author Share Posted July 28, 2002 If the "soul" actually exists, and turns out not be be metaphorical, I don't believe we'd be able to transfer it via computer sectors. According to Catholic Faith, the soul is what makes us unique from each other...aside from visual appearance, and genes. If we implant data into bodies without souls, (again, catholic faith) it will not still be the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aman Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 I think if you reactivate the brain and it can generate the same fields around it while it processes information then the soul or personaity should be right back where it left off. The person should be there again, just awakened. Just aman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiwawa Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 the whole freezing thing would be cool. but why freeze them after they die? i dont get how it would work. and for some reason i dont think that was god. call me crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 They've frozen live people and removed the blood so they can fix things like brain aneurisms, then un-froze them. But dead people, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Interesting point Radical Ed, makes you wonder what your soul is..... **left for the religious forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiwawa Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 my toe hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 were you of have in the past been cyrogenically froozen? Could be one of teh side effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiwawa Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 crash i dont get what u posteded? what did u mean? and havent they alredy froze someone? o and i fixed my toe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Umi Chan Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I am a good Roman Catholic, but I say that I think this is possible. But then again, that may also be coming from my otaku (someone who's obsessed with anime/manga) self. Also, it is what I hope. And, seeing as how our earth is so quickly turning into a human garbage can, I got an idea from an anime. Buuut, I'm not gonna say it. At least right now, anyways. Maybe later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 If the "soul" actually exists, From what I've come to understand, it seems the soul, such as reffered to in the bible, is merely ones blood. I might can dig up some support for this if need be. Anyhow, the brain is a neat thing, which we still don't fully understand. It is said that things on the quantum level take place within the brain. Anyhow, much like if I unplug my computer, (assuming I turned it off properly) and months later plugged it back up, I would suspect all my data would remain. Everything that makes my computer what it is would remain. From the view that our brains our simply the most complex computer availible, I think one could perfectly expect to be yourself after being revived from the deep freeze. Kinda like the teleportation issue. Assuming teleportation is perfected to the point of sending humans, the original is destroyed, and the information is converted, sent, and rebuilt at the destination. The copy would have all of the original memorys, but would it be the same person? Also, what if the original was not destroyed? I guess we won't know until we bring someone back from the dead. It might end up like a resident evil/ Animator type scenario??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidDreamer Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Has anyone told those people who were clinically dead for minutes or even hours (cold death) and then revived that they don't have a soul? How long of a period of time do you have to be dead for your soul to refuse to come back? If you have a soul that stays with you when you’re dead for 2 minutes why wouldn't it do the same thing after 200 years? In order to bring people back after they have been cryogenically frozen they just have to figure out how to do it so that it causes very little cellular damage and figure out how to repair all the cellular damage that was done after they died. Plus know how to fix what was wrong with them in the first place. Which is no easy task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noz92 Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 It's been done. Not on humans yet' date=' but some species of frogs have been cryogenically frozen and then brought back; with seemingly the same personality and everything else. It might take 100 years or more to get to humans, but eventually I think we'll get there, though the initial cost of revival will be alot higher than the cost of freezing.[/quote'] do you know the procedure that was done, i have an idea on how to bring the dead back to life, but i wan't to see if it's anywhere near correct. and those who are pondering on the soul thing, maybee when the body's frozen, the soul is frozen and trapped inside the body? and some people who have been in a coma, claim to have been to heaven, seen god, and founded themselves back in the body once they reawakened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidDreamer Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Ya, if God is all knowing then he would know whether you were coming back. So He would know whether to keep your soul in your body or when to send it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noz92 Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 but could the soul just sit there in an inanimate object for very long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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