Death is the final step of our lives

We don't kill ourselves for 3 reasons:

• Responsibility: Not to abandon your family who needs you

• Fear: bypassing self-preservation is so scary

• Joy: we prefer to give dopamine to our brain than becoming unconscious

(and yes religious people could say suicide = hell... (they know what we don't know))

If one ditches the 3 points mentioned above to kill himself, you might say he acted as a coward, because of point No.1

I guess we can all agree you need to have either big balls, either big hopelessness to ditch No.2, so it's not cowardice

Regarding the last point, refusing giving dopamine to the brain, is not cowardice neither, imo, don't hesitate to share yours

So, regarding point No.1, here is what would prevent suicide being an act of courage

Imagine someone with no children, but parents, this person would make his parents sad, and would not be able to help them when they will be old and would need being washed etc

... although it seems some children pay people, for their parents to be put in some building, to be washed by employees paid to do it

I consider that if you go to live so old that you need people to wash you etc, you are not honorable.

So, i have no children, point No.3 i think is pathetic, and I admire point No.2

If i kill myself, would you consider i've been a coward? Why?

ps: please don't tell me to go see someone, i don't want to give money to someone to obtain tips about being happy

Courage is acting in the face of some adversity, contrary to ones usual behaviour because it may overcome a personal problem or aid another that is in distress.

Suicide is the ultimate act of giving up in the face of adversity; no 'big balls' required.

I just hope that life does not get that bad that it crosses my mind.

14 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

If i kill myself, would you consider i've been a coward? Why?

ps: please don't tell me to go see someone, i don't want to give money to someone to obtain tips about being happy

You have depression. It's a chemical reaction. It could be caused by reversible or irreversible factors in the past, or these factors are still in your environment. Irreversible factors, like the death of a loved one or the death of a child, are difficult to come to terms with. Reversible factors are within your control. People who only talk and listen, those you say you don't want to pay, only force you to analyze yourself while confessing on their couch. If you're intelligent, you can conduct such an analysis yourself, and for free. To heal the brain damaged by prolonged depression, you can use pharmacology (i.e., chemicals; but they are usually either illegal or prescription (which you won't get because they didn't prescribe it to you) ) or just food. Very good results are achieved after eating very spicy food (Carolina Reaper style). Eat spicy food for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. For months. This causes a positive reaction in the brain. Positive thinking allows you to reprogram yourself.

Start by changing your place of residence, changing jobs, etc. This will eliminate environmental factors. And a breath of fresh air in your life. Go on trips/excursions, to other countries, to warm countries, explore the mountains and surround yourself with beautiful places where you can say “how beautiful it is here”...

Going to a job you hate when you've depression is a pretty bad idea. It only deepens depression.

Chemicals such as alcohol, marijuana (it also depends on the variety of the plant, but that's a topic for a completely different story), etc. are also a bad idea - they are depressants.

The goal is right - to suppress negative emotions to the point of flying away - but it won't have lasting effects.

14 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

ps: please don't tell me to go see someone, i don't want to give money to someone to obtain tips about being happy

...instead you prefer to get such advice for free from online people you don't know and have never seen. Right. That makes sense... ;)

Edited December 14Dec 14 by Sensei

15 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

We don't kill ourselves for 3 reasons:

• Responsibility: Not to abandon your family who needs you

• Fear: bypassing self-preservation is so scary

• Joy: we prefer to give dopamine to our brain than becoming unconscious

(and yes religious people could say suicide = hell... (they know what we don't know))

You have no idea, until you see the black dog prowl; I thought it would be easier, than waking up tomorrow, the only consideration in my attempt was pain, I dreamed of going to sleep, then nothing.

It's no more a measure of courage, than it's a measure of cowardice, it's a measure of pain both physical and mental.

Some of the lucky one's get a choice and fail, the unlucky one's don't get that choice.

There is such a thing as hell on earth.

2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

There is such a thing as hell on earth.

..now you know why Russians drink so much vodka... ;)

3 minutes ago, Sensei said:

..now you know why Russians drink so much vodka... ;)

Are you being a typical Russian? 🙄

Just now, dimreepr said:

Are you being a typical Russian? 🙄

I mainly drink beer. I only drink vodka when someone buys me a drink. I can't even remember when I last bought vodka, it must have been around 2015-2016 on New Year's Eve. And I make drinks with vodka anyway.

We had a situation here in the country this year where supermarket security detained a relatively young man and took him to the office where they waited for the police, and he opened the vodka he had stolen (0.7L) and drank it in one gulp. And he died. When the police arrived to give him a ticket for ~$140 for theft, they performed CPR on him.

28 minutes ago, Sensei said:

I mainly drink beer. I only drink vodka when someone buys me a drink. I can't even remember when I last bought vodka, it must have been around 2015-2016 on New Year's Eve. And I make drinks with vodka anyway.

We had a situation here in the country this year where supermarket security detained a relatively young man and took him to the office where they waited for the police, and he opened the vodka he had stolen (0.7L) and drank it in one gulp. And he died. When the police arrived to give him a ticket for ~$140 for theft, they performed CPR on him.

So what makes you want to see tomorrow?

I appreciate your recommendations @Sensei

@MigL If you imagine two persons who want to suicide, one is too afraid to do it, and the other one does it, do you think the one who "manages" to do it is just a bigger coward+more hopeless?

I think a subject i wanted to bring is that death being the last step, i imagine a guy who would not want to lose time, let's imagine even not a sad guy

The guy would just chose not to be a slave of its brain asking dopamine, neither of its self-preservation, he would just go straight to the final step, or maybe we can say the farthest step we know about

i imagine that guy just doing the act, to go directly see the end, we could say he didn't merit the luck of being alive since he ditched it

But here we can try to imagine he doesn't do it because life is too hard etc

or i don't know... i think it's kinda badass and maybe even admirable to say "fu*k it i wanna see what comes next"

Maybe considering solipsism a big possibility increase this way of thinking

Who says you should not die because you are alive...

Maybe the trap is indeed to try to grab as much time and dopamine as possible, while as fast as you leave, better it is...

Edited December 14Dec 14 by raphaelh42

19 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

If i kill myself, would you consider i've been a coward? Why?

ps: please don't tell me to go see someone, i don't want to give money to someone to obtain tips about being happy

You should see/talk to someone who knows what they are doing; there are professionals who deal with this and “tips about being happy” is a rather simplistic (and wrong) summary of what mental health professionals do.

By phrasing it this way you are soliciting medical advice, and nobody here is qualified to dispense it.