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3 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Of course they do not, they use words like "kill non believers" again you are being disingenuous by trying to obfuscate the issue. I have my doubts you qualify as as an atheist since at least the abrahamic religions, if given back their power, would have you killed. In fact in some Muslim countries your head would be in danger of being separated from your body for such thoughts... 

Dude, when are you going to sleep on it?

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1 minute ago, dimreepr said:

Dude, when are you going to sleep on it?

When are you going to stop arguing from ignorance? 

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4 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

When are you going to stop arguing from ignorance? 

I guess it would be when you explain my ignorance to me...

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8 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

I guess it would be when you explain my ignorance to me...

I have over and over but you simply keep repeating what the religious claim instead of looking for non religious sources or heaven forbid actually using google to look up what the theistic claims are and how dishonest they are. Without lies and deception religions could not exist... 

Faith itself is nothing but self deception... 

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9 minutes ago, zapatos said:

Nice anecdote. Thank you.

Are you suggesting it's not evidence? An anecdote doesn't usually kill so many...

 

without evidence...

 

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6 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Are you suggesting it's not evidence? An anecdote doesn't usually kill so many...

 

Yes, I am suggesting that an anecdote is not what is considered evidence in any meaningful way. 

My father smoked for 50 years and never developed lung cancer. Do you also believe that anecdote about him is evidence that smoking does not cause lung cancer?

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18 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Without lies and deception religions could not exist... 

By your logic that's an oxymoron.

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1 minute ago, dimreepr said:

By your logic that's an oxymoron.

Again you display your total lack of knowledge...

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6 minutes ago, zapatos said:

Yes, I am suggesting that an anecdote is not what is considered evidence in any meaningful way. 

My father smoked for 50 years and never developed lung cancer. Do you also believe that anecdote about him is evidence that smoking does not cause lung cancer?

You asked for evidence that not all hate is the result of faith, I provided an example and you dismissed it, anecdotally.

 

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19 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

You asked for evidence that not all hate is the result of faith, I provided an example and you dismissed it, anecdotally.

 

So it had nothing to do with his faith in the supremacy of the white race? something often touted by Christians? 

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16 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

You asked for evidence that not all hate is the result of faith, I provided an example and you dismissed it, anecdotally.

 

I asked for evidence of your assertion that faith does not inspire suicide bombers. 

The idea that "not all hate is the result of faith" is so obvious as to not be worthy of discussion.

Your dishonest approach to this discussion makes it a waste of my time.

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21 hours ago, zapatos said:

I asked for evidence of your assertion that faith does not inspire suicide bombers. 

Again, I didn't say that

21 hours ago, Moontanman said:

So it had nothing to do with his faith in the supremacy of the white race? something often touted by Christians? 

We're either talking past one another or you too are conflating, I presume the former.

But did he have faith in white supremacy before he was radicalised?

 

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2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Again, I didn't say that

We're either talking past one another or you too are conflating, I presume the former.

But did he have faith in white supremacy before he was radicalised?

 

I'm going to be honest, I have no idea how people are radicalized, why anyone would kill helpless people, the entire mindset is simply not in my list of understandable things. I would have to at least suggest something was broken inside his brain or the brain of anyone who would kill helpless people...  

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1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

I'm going to be honest, I have no idea how people are radicalized, why anyone would kill helpless people, the entire mindset is simply not in my list of understandable things. I would have to at least suggest something was broken inside his brain or the brain of anyone who would kill helpless people...  

I kinda agree but I have sympathy for those who are broken by others... 

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1 minute ago, dimreepr said:

I kinda agree but I have sympathy for those who are broken by others... 

Some seem to break easier than others but my sympathy is generally limited to the victims of broken people. The people who are broken are often very good at garnering sympathy while they plan their next move... I was abused severely as a child, it made me come close to being pathologically empathic.

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Just now, Moontanman said:

Some seem to break easier than others but my sympathy is generally limited to the victims of broken people. The people who are broken are often very good at garnering sympathy while they plan their next move... I was abused severely as a child, it made me come close to being pathologically empathic.

Indeed, but don't forget the broken are victims too...

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Just now, dimreepr said:

Indeed, but don't forget the broken are victims too...

Yes they are broken but much like a bottle broken in the path people walk on the danger has to be removed. Simply acknowledging the bottle is broken is not enough...  

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Just now, Moontanman said:

Yes they are broken but much like a bottle broken in the path people walk on the danger has to be removed. Simply acknowledging the bottle is broken is not enough...  

What would you propose as the best clean up method? Just remember you can never get every shard...

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1 minute ago, dimreepr said:

What would you propose as the best clean up method? Just remember you can never get every shard...

The analogy has broken down unless you think that everyone should carry protection against those stray shards. But ultimately yes you can clean up every shard, bring in a backhoe and you can get every piece but the problem is how do you fix broken people? Some are not fixable so they have to be separated from the general population. 

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Just now, Moontanman said:

The analogy has broken down unless you think that everyone should carry protection against those stray shards.

No, I mean we should stop worrying about it, because it only gives energy to them.

4 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

But ultimately yes you can clean up every shard, bring in a backhoe and you can get every piece but the problem is how do you fix broken people? Some are not fixable so they have to be separated from the general population. 

 What can you really control? And when is a victim, guilty?

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4 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

No, I mean we should stop worrying about it, because it only gives energy to them.

Yeah, stop worrying about mass killings by broken people... that's the ticket... 

4 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

 What can you really control? And when is a victim, guilty?

A victim can be passively victimized or a victim can make sure there are more victims via victimizing others. If you are broken and kill people because of it then you cannot be allowed to circulate in the general population. It's not fair to the people you might harm. Much like flying an airplane with a heart condition is illegale... 

 

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1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

Yeah, stop worrying about mass killings by broken people... that's the ticket...

How many times were you killed???

3 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

A victim can be passively victimized or a victim can make sure there are more victims via victimizing others. If you are broken and kill people because of it then you cannot be allowed to circulate in the general population. It's not fair to the people you might harm. Much like flying an airplane with a heart condition is illegale...

I'm trying to get my head around this argument, it's illegal so there won't be victims? Is that close? Or do you suggest arresting everyone, just in case?

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2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

How many times were you killed???

How is that relevant? Do I have to wait until the killer is slicing me up before I show any concern? 

2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

I'm trying to get my head around this argument, it's illegal so there won't be victims? Is that close? Or do you suggest arresting everyone, just in case?

I suggest arresting people who commit crimes, nothing more... 

5 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

How many times were you killed???

I'm trying to get my head around this argument, it's illegal so there won't be victims? Is that close? Or do you suggest arresting everyone, just in case?

None of this has anything to do with faith, you are doing nothing but trolling, either stop being so dishonest or I will block you... 

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1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

How is that relevant? Do I have to wait until the killer is slicing me up before I show any concern? 

When he starts a slicing you start arresting. ;)

3 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I suggest arresting people who commit crimes, nothing more...

And who suggests what a crime is? 

 

9 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

None of this has anything to do with faith, you are doing nothing but trolling, either stop being so dishonest or I will block you...

Nope...

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