Moontanman

Missed yet again, need a new scope on that rifle?

I agree, anytime I see aliens described as humanoid I cringe, the idea of aliens being remotely human is unlikely to say the least. It has to be said the "humanoid" shape often described is used to back the idea that "aliens" are time travelers or from another plane of existence. One mystery being used to explain yet another mystery... not a path to knowledge. Oh yeah there is the speculation that the "aliens" we see are really just biological probes/drones that are made to look like us... I think they missed the mark a bit with the grays... While I wasn't following Avi all that closely I am saddened to learn he ran off the rails, he started out on track, I don't understand the "why" in cases like this. To have the cashe' to be able to pull off an investigation (I understood his point) and then ruin it with hubris just boggles my mind.

I'm not sure where these came from but they resemble papers I've read about that were sent anonymously to a researcher back in the late 60s or early 70s, anyway they used a signature of Harry Truman from another paper and zerox was used to put the signature on the papers. Not saying it is those papers but the resemblance is interesting.

This does demand originals at the very least, photocopies are provocative but not really anything but a starting point to confirm their veracity. .

I don't know what to say, I've never seen these papers, confirming their source would be my next step.

WOW! I've never seen this, do you have links to the originals?

They lied about Roswell... twice... before they released what is now assumed to be the truth. The gov can't be trusted is completely justified, they lie their asses off when it suits them.

Well it was intended to be "scary asm" (auto correct) sarcasm I admit to being a bit obtuse when it comes to humor, but the key to controlling nukes is control of fissionable material not secret blue prints. But my point is that technological secrets cannot and should not be something that is kept forever. In this day and age its highly improbable that a tech secret from 50 years ago is still relevant enough to justify allowing a rumor like UFOs to propagate through society. Admission that specific UFO sightings were being covered up due to secret technology would be a profound blow to the whole UFO idea of aliens. That is an important revelation my friend, to both ghosts and UAP but in the absence of evidence of such sensory interference or in the presence of a sighting (of either) that simply cannot be mistaken identity do we really assign the same probability to a supernatural phenomena that we do to a natural phenomena we already have an actual example of? I've seen a ghost, a crying baby sitting on a dresser in my grandma's house (in my defense it was as I woke up from a nights sleep) but it was real to me. I was also the only person to see and hear the baby, there were other people in the house. I was 12, even then I didn't assign much significance to the experience mostly because no one else heard the crying baby as I watched it fade away almost like it evaporated. Weird experience, makes the hair stand up on my neck even now to think of it. Now compare that to a sighting where what was called a day light disk is sighted up close and personal by multiple people. Obviously a structured craft seen by more than one person, still doesn't make it real but would anyone really put both of those in the same category? I honestly do not think so. Thank you!

Yeah more drive-by nonsense! Keep it up , "Make my Point"

I was just paraphrasing something I read many years ago that suggested that given fissile material a low yield bomb could have been made as far back as the middle ages. I thought it outrageous at the time but over the years the reality of the control of fissile material, as you say, is the key, the tech isn't all that complicated. After looking into it since I read that article I've found many detailed drawings of nukes in the literature and the most mysterious part of them was the "trigger" eventually I found out what that was as well. I don't want to die of radiation poisoning from hubris. I discussed this with swansont, the US is not the end all be all of UFO reports, many countries have their own sightings and some even have their own investigation programs. It has been suggested that that many smaller countries as in South and Central America defer to the US to the point of letting the US military into their country when a sighting needs to be investigated. Nothing but anecdotal reports on this but countries like Great Briton, Australia, Canada and NATO have been suggested to be inside the US control when UFOs are involved, again nothing official I am aware of. Russia certainly has their own program, as does France which of course goes against the claim of NATO deferring to the US. Almost certainly most of what I see and hear is filtered by the influence of the US gov. Anyone can be fooled by optical phenomena. Though I had in my younger days interests in photography, astronomy, and various optical phenomena, I was utterly baffled one foggy night going down a quiet country road as a cluster of red glowing balls appeared ahead and slowly rose into the air as I moved towards them. It took a while for my WTF moment to give way to comprehension. If they had been flashing, and there hadn't been fog, I would have understood right away that I was approaching a wind turbine farm. But there was some glitch that night in the electronics that set the normal strobe rate (30/m). So the FAA-required beacons were stuck on, shining continuously. So what would normally be flashing red dots atop distinguishable turbine towers were turned by fog into slowly ascending glowing red balls. A few years later the utility company, in response to complaints from farmers, put in Aircraft Detection Lighting Systems (ADLS), which use radar systems that only turn on turbine lights when an aircraft is approaching the wind farm. That is a cool way to deal with the issue!

A fission "bamboo" (this is auto correct at work, I ducking hate auto correct) is not to difficult to make, I bet money if I was given a metal work shop and enough plutonium I could make a low yield device. Devastate a few city blocks at least. I'd die from radioactive contamination but if a man can use a screw driver to cause a almost detonation that killed him I think could do it as well. Uranium might be easier to do, I'd have to go back a reread the papers I've read to be sure. The trigger would be the hardest part to replecate but given enough uranium 235 I bet I could do it. shit shit shit, now I hear the black helicopters coming!

There are videos being shown that detail how a nuclear bomb works, even fusion bombs, the excuse used is that the info is already in the public domain and yes these vids are approved by the gov. It's possible that the info is no longer considered classified as well. I'm not talking about leakers either, I am saying specifically that the gov should come out and admit to being behind specific UFO sightings by declassifying the source behind specific sightings. If military tech is behind UFO sightings then let us know which sightings exactly, I can think of a couple right off the top of my head that would shake the idea of aliens off the ledger. Stepping up and admitting responsibility for specific encounters would go a long way to convincing people like me for sure. I have read of the SR71 black bird being responsible for a hand full of specific sightings in the south eastern US due to maneuvers the black bird engaged in to gain speed for its flights. I saw one of them and I don't say it was a UFO die to that revelation. It was impressive btw. I was surf fishing with a few of my buddies, it was after dark and the sky was lit up with an aircraft that was traveling south along the coast almost directly over head. It lit up like a glowing UFO would be expected to. You could see the fire trails it let as it speed over head going from horizon to horizon in just a couple minutes. It was just after it had become completely dark. One of my Buddies had been a mechanic in the Aur force and his job had been maintenance of the SR71 for several years. He immediately recognized it as an SR71, or so he said later. SR71 was what I thought of immediately as well but I am quite critical of what I see and most of the others just thought they'ed seen an alien space craft. A few years later this maneuver was released to the public in a not well know paper at the time but I read it and when I talked to my buddy about it sad he had recognized the SR71 and like me thought it was flying so high it was still in sunlight as it traveled at the edge of the atmosphere. He had remembers his security oath and had, at the time, not told any of us what he suspected. Turned out we were both right and we also told the guys were had been fishing with what we found out as well. This sighting had been the talk of the guys we had been fishing with for several years... I talked about it less than a year ago with one of the guy who had been there. It made a big impression on all of us.

Would an alien civilization that possesses technology to travel the stars, and that doesn't want to be detected, not have some sort of visual stealth technology, or at least, radar stealth technology, like we already have ? Maybe we should then stick to more probable terrestrial phenomena. And I know you're feeling a little 'ganged-up' on, and maybe getting a little irritated,but I think you missed the point of Dimreepr's post. There are similarly many unexplained phenomena which some people attribute to ghosts. that these phenomena actually involve ghosts is equally unlikely. Or are you suggesting we should also investigate ghosts, as they remain unexplained ? With respect to US military ( DARPA ) secrets, in the 1980s the military began investigating stealth technology that eventually resulted in the L-M F-117/F-22/F-35, and the N-G B-2/YF-23/B21. These involved demonstrator projects, and since stealth tech was in its infancy, it involved crude, almost non-flyable shapes that were optimized for as much stealth as they could get. The L-M Have Blue demonstrator had a diamond shaped planform, with all angles optimizwd for least reflection, and would have been unflyable if not for computer-controlled fly-by-wire. The N-G Tacit Blue demonstrator had an inverted bathtub shape to the fuselage, but normal wings/control surfaces, as N-G was interested in the flying wing/blended body approach to their B-2 design. Both are now declassified, and you can google pics of both. I wonder how either of those would have looked to a crop-duster pilot who happened to spot one ? And would the military have admitted what it was ? Th If that happened wouldn't have been better to tell that crop duster what his sighting actually was once the stealth aircraft was declassified instead of perpetrating the deception of UFOs? To be honest I hadn't been following Avi very closely of late, but if you are correct then I withdraw my exception to ridiculing Avi Loeb I am not talking about whistle blowers, although there are plenty of them, I was talking about the gov declassifying them officially. 80 years is a long time for a tech secret to kept, wow can't reveal how to make a nuclear bomb... oh wait it's on YouTube and actually allowed by the the gov... wow UFOs must be some strong secrets.