dimreepr

Just to add to my choice of word's, Hamas forces Isreal to fire on an ambulance; a good guy would stay his hand, at that point...

Nevertheless my point stands and the analogy is consistent with this thread; all one can say with any confidence is, as things stand artificial consciousness is "probably" impossible today... Perhaps you should ask a school kid what the difference between a discussion and gainsay, is? 🙄 Unless this missing item is a soul (the magic one), then it already has been constructed and we're just missing the blueprints.

So what's the point of the topic? That's like saying "Human flight is impossible, if we discount plane's"; what's there to discuss?

Can you perceive the expansion of space, like you can with time?

Yes but all they do is cancel each other out, but never to zero.

I think the direction of freedom is almost, but not quite, that of Descarte; I think that that last decision was wrong, because it could damage my soul (not the magic one)... You don't understand the "software" at all. All you can say, with any certainty, is "you don't understand my software at all"; almost everyone can write an algorithm...

Imagine the life that would need to be lived for an otherwise ordinary human being to say that and expect his mother's validation? There are no bad guy's in this, because all the good guy's are drowned out by this sort of noise.

The current state of the debate...

Maybe not, but I'd like to think I'm more conscious than an anthill.

That's not free will. That's freedom to act. No opposition to do something. It is not about making a choice which is the definition of "will". I think freedom to act is far more free when the choices are restricted; for instance, if I can do 'anything' I could spend a lifetime deciding where to start, my will will be fighting itself. I'm not sure what philosophical label to use; I'd certainly be determined to start at the right place... 😉

Brain organoid's are artificially alive... Me too, so what is your definition of artificial??? Because AI depends on living entities, much like a loom... Feel free to ignore this post, if it's a bit tricky... 🤔

So, what you're saying is, I can't change my mind in the tyrrany of choice; now that's irony, isn't it???

I appreciate that, but it's happened and we can't put the cork back in. But Hamas et al don't want peace, they want revenge for a crime committed by mostly dead people, a futile wish however justified. Attacking Israel now is like poking a hornet's nest, because one of the little bastards, from a different nest, once stung me; all Hamas has achieved is giving the Israeli war machine a justifiable excuse to eradicate hornet's from any nest. I think the best solution for all the innocent babies in this conflict, Israel and the west should annex Gaza and give them all the benefits of the state, rather than try to starve them into submitting.

The tyrrany of choice does exist, history proves it...🙄

He's got that covered, the clever bugger ignores the possibility... 🤞

That's the problem, WE don't; whatever age and whatever wisdom, a child from a war zone will know more about war than the greatest peacetime philosopher. I'm a pacifist, but when I drill down to the core of this problem, I'm struggling to think of a reason, why it's not a reasonable excuse... Hamas has no interest in making peace and it's their choice to throw their families under the bus, in order to win a million to one bet. They're a desperate gambling addict that should've been stopped (oops, from the house) before they spent their families wage.

Brain Organoid studies are making strides towards artificial consciousness, it seems. one study found that after 9 month's of growth, significant complexity would spontaneously emerge from the collective.* * It may not be from the linked study.

FTFY Captain hindsight, would say that... 😉 This only argues your thesis; for instance, when I started working with computer's, every time it crashed demonstrated an emergent property of the interaction between the software and the hardware in varying degree's of explanation; however, every time an emergence occurred helped towards a better computer; which, it can be argued, form's a part of the theory (your word) of AI. So, how does it support the topic title?

There's no shame in asking for help... 😉

Not all of them would know how to use it, or create it, or have time to work it out; so all we can say, with any certainty is, the odds might be 1,000:1... 😉

Yes I am, I'm accusing you of not understanding the topic you started, and not understanding the argument's I've presented; or!!! you're trolling... 🤔 I have an understanding of how AI works (are you sure yo do???), it's the same level of intelligence/consciousness as an anthill/colony; you're conflating what it means to be a human (an evolutionary process of design) now, with what it might be like for an AI (after a similar evolutionary process)... 🙄

Well, I'm conscious and I'm a product of the designs my father had for my mother... 😉😣 This exactly why, both @studiot and I felt the need to clarify such an obvious anolog* with the word colony. If you're not being deliberately obtuse, then you're arguing in bad faith; what do you hope to win? Because it can't be the argument... 🙄 * IOW not to be taken litterally.🙏 Clearly... 😉

They're already under stress, let's not confuse him/her here... 😉

What makes you think that cage isn't yours? It's all over social media and day time TV, my holiday (and therefore my entire year) was spoiled, because it didn't live up to the hype, created by 'them'; and I can never forgive 'them' unless they suffer as much as I imagined that I had.

Unless your thesis is, consciousness is only possible when God does it, then I fail to see the logic; besides I think you mean a design without a designer, otherwise it's a meaningless attempted tautology. How is an anthill "intelligent"? I think you're confusing the anthill with the ants that are in it. You're missing the point, or you're being deliberately obtuse, a single ant is neither intelligent nor, arguably, conscious, yet as a colony they can build structures with air-conditioning and a farm and waste disposal and etc. clearly a design with a designer. Much like a single human couldn't create our modern society, with all it's convenience. All of which seems to scupper or directly contradict your hypothesis.