dimreepr

I could explain it to you, but I'm not sure where our relative understanding, coalesces...

Not even the person who first coined it? For instance, you're a "Thorhamanitist" I know what it means, do you?

If you can't read it, is my point. Maybe it's cultural... In some culture's it's common to invoke a deity before doing something dangerous e.g. saying "insha allah" before overtaking a lorry on a blind bend; it would be arrogant to assume they're blind to knowledge or understanding.

Newton's message is written in the most robust language known, in a continuous culture that has been building on that understanding, to the point that we understand why his message is incomplete; let's not forget, he was also an alchemist and given his prophetic qualities, had he solely focused on that, it's plausible that he might have been. Not concrete but plausible, paganism for instance, given their (original) knowledge of herbs and natural remedies'; It's reasonable to assume they we're the scietists of their day, and there's no evidence to suggest that's not same for Buddha. I'm not saying Einstein will be deified, I'm just saying it's plausible; every empire has it's day and then dies...

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

I recognise that shame... 😣

My incompetence at getting my point across, is underlining my point; transfering my understanding to other's take's skill and talent (not my wheelhouse). Markus, you are living proof that what you say is possible, but even you had to be taught the fundamentals before you can teach yourself to the level you've achieved; I believe that may have blinded you to my point, which is, prophet's are rare. But as chinese whispers demonstrate the longer the chain/wider the gap, the greater the message is corrupted. So, given enough time or a long enough chain, understanding is lost; I understand that mathematics is a very robust language, but that's because I've been taught the fundamental's well enough, I'm just not capable of understanding why (I'm in the middle of the bell curve). That's why I believe Einstein could become a prophet like deity.

I could teach you how to grow your own, but I doubt my teaching would enlighten you... 🤪

What was once written by man can be written again, but without a teacher what language would we use? We're all subject to the enthrall of our teacher's, enlightenment is understanding that we're not limited to their teachings...

Did they get, counselling? It's a bitter sweet symphony...

And getting more so, on this swing of the pendulum; let's hope the next swing will stop the clock, though history is not on our side...

I'm not assuming your level of understanding, but for me, I believe he was a genius and often argue in his favour; Imagine this site bereaved of those capable of filling the gaps in my understanding, Markus et al, I wouldn't just stop advocating his genius. Like Trump...

But they have knowledge of the paper and it sort of makes sense, why would it fade away with so many advocates?

Hand's up folk's it's a bloody awful title and OP, since I'm trying to explore how time can disconnect knowledge from understanding. For instance, if a teacher has full knowledge of, but doesn't understand Einstein's paper (and there's no one that can correct them), and their teacher's teacher, and their teacher's teacher's teacher, etc. I wonder how long it would take, if it would, for Einstein to become some sort of Buddha type deity. God may just be a cultural joke.

Are you sure? What if you're understanding is relative to the time you think you understood? I'm not saying science can't provide answer's, I'm just saying they aren't the only conclusion...

Is that your pride or his?

Not at all, do you understand time? Perhaps our current understanding is a close as we get and in one day that understanding converges and all we're left with is a model that never, really worked. I don't believe religion was ever really ontological, just a method of conveying current understanding, forgotten over time. I largely agree, other than the death thing; imagine if that warm fuzzy feeling happens in life, no point in waiting for death... I think the death thing is more about the divine comedy of karma...

Of course it does, if one has children; or if one inspires a book that lasts a millennia or so. Ones conciousness only has meaning in the eyes of another. Is that too many word's, to win?

Thanks, just wish I worded it better, perhaps: A fisherman takes what they need to eat and a corperation needs fishermen to take everything they can.

It seems a very strange way too strawman an argument...

A fisherman needs to fish, in order, to eat and a corpation needs fisherman, in order to thrive. What we need to thrive is a radically new economy, that can meet both needs without impinging on either. We can't blame the fisherman for his lazy attitude and we can't blame the businessman for getting angry at the apparent laziness; what we can, must, do is design an apparatus where both are satisfied. The third mouse, becomes vitally important in our moral horizon.

LOL, what are you going to do; wish me to death? "I got up half an hour before I went to bed"... 😉

In the immortal words of Monty Python, "You were lucky"...

But it is an accurate dipiction of Zerbo/our situation, I'm not saying suicide is wrong; it just needs careful inquiry, for accuracy. Indeed, at last we agree.

You're not very good in social situations are you... [/rhetorical]