dimreepr

To what? And don't say the economy, that rabbit hole is very deep indeed. Ask not for whom this bell tolls... It's kinda my signature... 😉

The actual number is largely unimportant, because it represents millions of tonnes of shit we don't want and can't dump, without stinking up the neighbourhood...

I largely agree, especially the last part; but most people are just happy to be left alone, to enjoy what little comfort they can from this "bitter sweet symphony of life". If you can find a way to merge that way of thinking with comfort and good hard work, then by George (Orwell) I think we've cracked it... 🤞

“A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!” "I'd kill, for a cup of tea"

I'm trying to understand what part you think the sentience, of a machine, has to play in the danger to humanity, of GAI. It's within our power to control AI, by designing its objectives correctly, in the first place; for instance, say we design a machine to find a way to eliminate the acidification of the ocean's, a noble cause designed to save humanity from itself. We set it going, but the machines solution is a chemical reaction that uses all the oxygen in the atmosphere. We scramble to switch it off, before it starts the reaction; so it becomes a race for survival. The solution is, we design the algorithm to ask us for permission to start the solution; yes, it's simplistic. The question we have to ask ourselves is, why do we want a fully autonomous machine? Self repairing concrete is fine because the threat of a sentient fourth bridge, only leads to Scotland...

No, I'm asking a genuine question. Purely anecdotal evidence, but I've never met anyone who actually liked their first taste of alcohol, especially if they overindulged. So the question of a nuanced difference in taste and how that relates to price, seems moot. Elephants who love the sauce, aren't fussy about the source.

This is where self awareness may play a role. How? Sentience isn't going to suddenly make it think like us, for instance, what would that consciousness even look like, what is its motivation to do anything? Another topic I think. What's its motivation? We don't like ants because they pose a threat to our comfort; if they're not stinging us they're pinching our picnics. How would we piss off a GAI enough for it to not want us around?

What's your excuse?

But if it's all I can afford, rather that than vegan cheese, but your journey may vary...

I think the major difference between cheap and expensive wine is legitimacy, for instance: If I buy a crate of cheap wine, my only legitimate reason is, I like to drink alcohol. If I buy a crate of expensive wine, my legitimate excuse is, I'm a wine connoisseur.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, for instance, there is as much chance of self repairing concrete becoming sentient, as AI or GAI. We already have self learning AI, deep blue et al, in which the initial program is essential for it to win a game of chess, which is the objective WE gave it. As I've previously mentioned AI doesn't think like us, it's like thinking an IQ test is an accurate metric of smart. The threat to humanity is from human's doing a captain Ahab, not from the whale doing a Moby.

Thanks for the neg from, whoever; but what's the argument?

I hope not, but you were in a group and that sort of question, tends to reduce ones sensitivity too, stupid...

How can you tell how much of that experience was due to the price of the bottle?

How do you prove that this wine tastes better than this one, if I don't want to be convinced?

There are many things that affect our perception of taste, even music can be designed to enhance taste. Money, or price, has it's part to play, but that depends on how much we trust the informer. For instance, if you can't afford a chateau lafite and someone on the TV says "this Chilean <insert name>" is just as good, then it tastes just as good; even though you've never tasted a château lafite. But if you can't afford "this Chilean <insert name>", then I'll have a "mothers ruin" and learn to like it...

But if any of us survive and continue to prosper, then it's not post-humanity, it's post-modern. What I think you mean is, how do we navigate the minefields of the future? Why is it's awareness, important? If we do manage to develope GAI, it's not it's sentience that we should fear, it's the human bias we've unwittingly programmed into it. Everything dies!!! "The restaurant at the end of the universe" is just one of seven impossible things to do before breakfast... 😉 Well, as long as you're sure you'll see it, tonight...

I clearly am confused by something I didn't fully understand, but the podcast is worth a listen (they both have a doctorate).

Isn't that the point of the imaginary number? As discussed by Rutherford and Fry on their podcast.

Well, if you're sure, I'll tell my family not to worry...

It's the doom and gloom version of a future, on an otherwise successful voyage. my point being, Ahab's obsession meant he cut corners and failed to prepare for the discovery. We can dismiss GAI, right now, because it seems so unlikely; while we cut corners on the voyage of AI... Just wondering, but how can humanity be aware of post-humanity? Be fantastic if we could...

A Moby Dick, perhaps...

GAI would be better at it...

Indeed, which leaves only one topic worth discussing in this "fantastic" topic. AI is here already, with a very powerful potential from what can be bought today; for instance, it only takes a few grams of explosive to kill a person, face recognition is available and compact drones are sophisticated enough to independently perform coordinated display's, all of which could be bought at a very low price. Which means I could, potentially, kill everyone in london for the price of, a tank and an anti-tank missile. That's just one example of today's threat, we have to consider GAI as tomorrows potential, which is far more powerfull, because the threats would be far more insidious.

Have you ever seen a ghost? What is your take on the topic of the fantasic?