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“The ozone hole occurs during the Antarctic spring, from September to early December, as strong westerly winds start to circulate around the continent and create an atmospheric container. Within this polar vortex, over 50 percent of the lower stratospheric ozone is destroyed during the Antarctic spring.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Indeed, you have. Sadly, your answer was incorrect and laden with extraneous nonsense.

Yes, definitely in my experience these last several years it’s become clear that most Trump supporters are a rather shy bunch of wallflowers who prefer keeping quiet and hiding their feelings about Trump from others 🙄

What is your ballpark estimate for how much that return will be per annum? How does that compare the massive up front expenditure to move all of those people and find them homes and work? I’ll ignore for the moment the absurdly obvious political obstacles of your idea while I wait to watch you dodge this straight forward question.

Unlikely. What do you recommend is a better sampling method?

^This

The more parsimonious explanation involves the move away from landline telephones and the way people don’t answer calls from unknown numbers. When people move from one state to another, they tend to take their phone number with them and those numbers don’t match local area codes. Consequently, they get missed in random samples dialed by pollsters. Sure, some people lie when reached and asked questions, but that’s less common and bleeds out as noise with a sufficiently large sample size. Maybe you should go post this as a YouTube comment somewhere so the entire world may benefit from the correction.

What’s in it for them? US can’t even get improved schools for their own kids or fix bridges that are crumbling, let alone nationalized healthcare. You think despite these challenges the US taxpayers are going to 1) approve spending their tax dollars on this despite the lack of obvious ROI, and 2) stick a giant finger into the eye of China, its largest trading partner?

@CharonY addressed this earlier today in another thread. Summarized: This isn’t an issue of policy. The progressive policies of democrats are supported by majority of population. The right is simply ignoring policy in favor of identity, supporting candidates due to the R beside their name even when a vote for them is against their interests.

Try to remember those farmers being pushed out of the Midwest by giant agri-businesses are my neighbors. I’m not as oblivious to them and their grievance as you suggest. That said, you’re right that they’re being taken advantage of... being offered simplistic solutions like “blame that other guy over there... they’re the reason your life is challenging.” And that’s turning into not just threats of violence, but actual measurable spikes in it. This has been core to Biden’s message since the primaries... that he’ll be the president for everyone, not just those who voted for him. It’s how he’s governed for over 40 years. He’s lived a life that helps him understand their problems. He’s capable enough to help improve their lives through policy and competent staff. Unfortunately, 70-80% of republicans are certain the election was rigged and Biden is not a legitimate president, that violent overthrow of those evil liberals and Democrats is the only patriotic thing to strive toward. I’ve read the words “civil war” and “ammunition” at least 15x today alone, and I haven’t even been online that long.

Also, those on the right seem to want to shoot and maim those on the left like a bunch of traitors who raped their daughters, whereas those on the left want to provide healthcare, better more cost effective education, and stop police from murdering black people. I’m not comfortable with the level of nazi-style dehumanization and vitriol I’m seeing pretty consistently on my own local representatives comments sections.

And also the wing that gives a rats ass about basic decency, honesty, and reality based discussions.

I thought Christians were supposed to be kind and not so completely rude, arrogant, or dismissive of basic decency. Jesus is crying right now due to your behavior.

Which ecology? Also, why do you continue evading my question to you?

Whatever. Please answer the question. As I’m not here to act like an insufferable jerk as you seem to be, I’ll gladly answer any question you pose. However, right now, I’m not at all clear what you’d like answered. If you read back, I actual DID answer your question asking about equilibrium. Please, sir. What question have you asked that you feel I’ve ignored? So, let’s be human toward each other for a moment. Answer my question regarding quarantine supposedly leading to higher incidence of covid... I raised the idea to my toddler who (despite you suggesting was incapable of understanding how to operate a doorknob) said that idea was obviously dumb, and I agree. Why do you assert otherwise?

You’re nowhere even close, but if breaking it is your goal then it’s obviously time to leave, whether voluntarily or not.

Whether in ecology or elsewhere, equilibrium is a balanced state toward which nearly all systems tend... the position of least possible energy expenditure. Now... Without making me feel like I’m trying to interpret a fortune cookie, will you kindly please elaborate on why you thought this was the best possible response to: ”Suggestions that quarantine leads to increased spread of covid are self-evidently ridiculous to the point of absurdity and insanity?”

It’s fascinating to me that I’ve seen this exact argument being made by others elsewhere on social media... That quarantine makes more people sick from covid. It’s so manifestly absurd that it’s hard to understand why people believe it, yet it’s coming up so consistently that it’s not hard to recognize it’s being intentionally fed from somewhere as disinformation to specific audiences.

Someone should’ve told that to my kids. What the AF are you talking about?

Don’t overcomplicate it. It’s nonsequitur to suggest: Bananas are yellow because dogs bark. Or, soil is nutrient rich because the mail gets delivered at lunchtime. That’s really it. One does not logically follow the other.

In my own thinking, that’s irrelevant to whether or not I engage.

The point is that these two maps represent the exact same election yet tell vastly different stories about it. One of those stories is much more accurate than the other. An electoral map rendered in a traditional style shows county-by-county data from the 2016 presidential election. (Jetpack.AI) An electoral map by Karim Douieb shows voting by population rather than strictly by geography. In place of vast swaths of red or blue, the map reveals the mixed nature of voting patterns. (Jetpack.AI)

I’m sympathetic to the point you’re making, but you are wrong. These exchanges DO lead to changes in thinking. They’re obviously not effective in achieving that 100% of the time, but they are effective at least some of the time. Our challenges also often plant the seeds of doubt which may later grow and sprout. The brain is a wonderful calculator and it will often chew on logical inconsistencies in the background when we’re not even aware of them. It seeks ways for things to make sense and to align. Perhaps the participant isn’t convinced by our replies today, but maybe 3 or 7 or 19 years from now while singing in the shower or tying their shoelaces or chopping wood there will be an epiphany moment and the gears of the clock will suddenly stop grinding and will start clicking cleanly and without slips. That “Aha! Of course!!” eureka moment can come at any time. And... Even if the participant isn’t convinced, there are often silent readers paying attention from the sidelines weighing their own doubts... thirsting to be convinced one way or the other and relying on what they see in threads like these to help make sense of it all... to see who’s arguments are nonsense and which are convincing... here specifically to quench their desire to be swayed. Then finally... even if NONE of that were true, it is still vital IMO to stand up and defend what is valid and what is true for its own sake... to challenge fictions and push for rational reasonable thinking wherever we can. We push back on principle to stop the spread of misinformation and that matters for its own sake, even if the person with whom we’re posting shows no willingness to listen. And I’d wager a sizable amount of coin that you agree with me regarding these points. x-posted with Halc who made similar points from a more personal perspective

It’s all so clear to me now. You’re Alanis Morissette!! 😂

When I drop a rock into a puddle, why is the wave that reaches the edge bigger than the rock?