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And the larger problem is that the people we need to implement such a change are the very same ones benefiting from its absence.

That’s a fair point… it was a shorthand description from me that may have been unclear given other existing uses of the term “trans humans.” My intent was to reinforce their human-ness more than their trans-ness… and as you rightly mention, they are just human like the rest of us… just like you and me and everyone else… and yet here we are… page after page after page of thread exploring why some people are totally fine including transgendered humans in sports… and why others cannot seem to overcome their psychological opposition to letting them compete unless we first define some sort of “separate but equal” bracket to place them into… and all due to what? Due to the risk that like 6 total female athletes MIGHT not win a cheap trophy or medal if we do so? I find this all so horribly trite and narrow minded TBH, and it’s doubly frustrating when I see it coming so often from so many otherwise extremely intelligent and capable individuals like you. I understand where your head is on this, but I also feel somewhat strongly that you’re on the wrong side of this issue and will realize the same for yourself soon enough once a few more years have passed. Oversimplifying my take, this issue overlaps tremendously with historical opposition to letting blacks and whites marry, or being against school integration, or against gay marriage… this is just the latest tribalistic cultural fight and… FWIW… I would also be here equally arguing against making transgendered individuals drink from separate water fountains or forcing them to use bathrooms that don’t align with the gender with which they identify. You surely agree with me those things would be anathema to who we wish to be as a society, but can’t seem to see the same once sports get involved… specifically female sports. It’s so needlessly paternalistic. Are their differences we should consider and account for? Of course, but are those differences so large as to justify the perpetuation of discrimination and exclusion? Absolutely not. No way, and no how.

But we don’t have to tell them that. There is no requirement nor mandate to do so… unless we force ourselves to say “No!” for seemingly specious and arbitrary reasons.

They are human. They are trans. I called them trans humans. What, pray tell, is your objection and reason for it?

I know you’ve been sent on an involuntary holiday from this site, but just in case you return at some point in the future and read this, my reply is… And??? 🤷

How does this line of questioning get us closer to finding a reasonable solution for accepting trans humans into sports; sports which are themselves currently bifurcated into gender divisions based largely on historical accident and misogyny? If it doesn’t, then I suggest it’s safe to move on and consider it as little more than a distraction preventing us from focusing upon and attempting to improve the actual challenge before us… the actual challenges faced by the trans community which is starving not just for acceptance and understanding, but also security in a world full of people actively trying to target and harm them.

But the god part is just being shoehorned in because you want it there, not because there’s a good reason to put it there or a logical sequence / chain of reasoning landing you on that conclusion. You can see how invalid and irrelevant the god part is by simply replacing the word god in your exact sentence and you could just as easily (and just as validly) say, “because there is no universal truth then a belief I that Harry Potter is a real being from another dimension doesn't seem as silly.” Or… “because there is no universal truth then a belief that the farts of pink unicorns cause erections in leprechauns doesn't seem as silly.”

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Nor do they let in the very most elite trans humans who wish to compete and who clearly meet all qualification thresholds other than gender

Not if Republican state legislators with their redistricting, gerrymandering, and hundreds KC bills making voting far harder / making it easier to prosecute election workers for nonissues / eliminating vote by mail / reducing the number of polling places and shortening voting hours, etc. have anything to say about it

Except, it is. What you shared are world records… examples of ONE runner being best… basically, anecdotes. What Charon shared, however, was based on the largest ever study done on trends in ultra marathons over 23 years across over 15,000 events and it included over 5 MILLION results. But yeah… I agree. If you look at just ONE runner in the top record holding spot, then the claim doesn’t “SEEM” true.

The answers are the same as when you asked these questions 7 months ago: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124030-question-plastic-bag-and-humidity/ And when you asked again 5 months ago: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124463-question-sound-hammer-damage-objects-in-room/ And then when you asked yet again 4 months ago: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124507-question-light-and-uv-and-cardboard-box/ And just in case that wasn’t enough, when you then asked again 2 months ago: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/125099-question-plastic-rubber-and-low-humidity/ Twice you asked 2 months ago, in fact: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/125100-sodium-or-calcium-hypochlorite-is-related-to-25-active-chlorine/?tab=comments#comment-1177266

One of my favorite things ever is when someone feels wronged at a completely different location then comes to a totally separate, unconnected, and independent location where I happen be and then ask me why they were wronged at that other place elsewhere. It’s days like these that make me glad to be alive and cause me to seriously reconsider my lack of belief in god(s) or deities. Miracles like this simply cannot have materialistic explanations.

Pentium 4s also didn’t come from deep learning neural networks across hundreds of data centers across continents

To model the behavior of the universe in ways that minimize human bias; to move forward with the recognition that all models are only at best provisional, and with a willingness to reject them when evidence demonstrates that they're flawed and unrepresentative in some way. Science is about building maps, and our task is to recall that all maps can always be made better and also that the map is not the territory.

There are words here where your meaning is unclear. For example, what is meant by "self" in context of the internet? Likewise, what is meant by "awareness?" Finally, how does the idea of "deleting human kind" get operationalized? Is that like a nuclear bomb strike, or a pandemic, or just our data? If I ignore these ambiguities, I will lend an opinion that yeah... sure, AI and machine learning are moving rapidly and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the algorithms evolved in such a way as to include their own impact on the ecosystems in which they interact. In fact, I think that's already happening to some extent.

I’m ignorant of a great tremendous many things. I am not, however, an ignorant person. Anyone interested in philosophy should not only appreciate these important nuances in the way words get used, but ought also to celebrate the open respectful clarification of them. And now we almost have a nickel between us.

Let me quote you:

Perhaps, but in this case it was merely a typo. It should be obvious in context that I'd intended to type "provide," but I do appreciate you offering me an opportunity to clarify. Actually, will you please use crayon... you know, to be sure you're speaking to me at the appropriate level and to help me overcome my ignorance? In fact, a picture would be best. Much obliged.

+1 for the horrible pun lol

Lol. I always laugh when this thread pops back up. For context, there’s a pinned thread in the Suggestions forum for folks asking “Why is there no forum for X?” Usually X constitutes some specialty or sub domain which is interesting to the person, but likely wouldn’t drive enough activity to warrant its own folder… plus, some of us hate trying to navigate folder structures created by others. Anyway, one time a person asked for some archaic sub forum to be created and I was feeling a bit snarky so replied something like “at this point, we may as well have a forum for sculptures made of almonds… where will it end!!” And one of our more clever site admins within minutes created said forum. Well, we couldn’t leave it empty and alone so within a few minutes of that I created this thread and here we are… Bye - Black walnuts have a weird flavor, cause your skin to react, and make it hard to extract the nutmeat. Usually better to stick with English walnuts. Oops… I already explained that a year and a half ago. Bugger

Oh, the delicious irony. Given that lovely outburst in your last post, you quite likely will be leaving the forum whether you want to or not. 😂

Welcome! I’ve been a refugee from such sites more than once in the past. We even created another of our own a few years back in response when one got bought by some folks who couldn’t have cared less about science and the related methodology or cultural expectations of the site. Looking forward to you contributions.