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The Biden administration has urged American expatriates in Ukraine to leave the country.

Well, I’m also sometimes an idiot who multitasks too much, so there’s that. Don’t mind me. I’ll show myself out 😂

The question isn’t IMO whether info can be extracted via torture, but whether other methods are more effective. To that end: https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-amp0000064.pdf

Close, but not entirely. I'm agreeing there are many factors involved here, including issues with opportunity. However, I'm hoping to remind us that focusing on one at the expense of another is overly simplistic and that the problem clearly persists even when equalizing opportunity... since even within the same roles and jobs the pay is STILL significantly lower (at least in the US).

Yes, research into jobs is hard because jobs differ and multiple variables contribute to pay. I understand you disagree I find your disagreement to be unsupported and you now seem to be attacking the messenger instead… the messenger being one of the single best referenced sources available on this topic. Even when controlling for those variables, females are paid less and only 32 percent of the gender pay gap would be closed by redistributing women and men across occupations. On the other hand, as much as 68 percent of the gender pay gap by occupation for is due to the within-occupation gap.

Since you missed it: https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/#epi-toc-44

The point you’re making is often heard and often repeated, but almost never backed up by actual research into this. Quite the opposite, really. The data do not seem to support it. Lots of great data at the following. I referenced only small parts most directly relevant to our current exchange here, but there’s a great deal more there. https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/

I’m confused by your position. It seems to ignore that women are paid less even in the exact same jobs, which suggests the different jobs argument is at best a misguided distraction.

It’s not. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/04/01/the-gender-pay-gap-and-the-career-choice-myth/?sh=21b12cda114a

Assuming for a moment the straws exist to do this, to make this operational one would need to consider how to get bars and related establishments to use them, and who could help offset the cost of changing materials. Would they be eligible for financial assistance from a centralized fund or government? Margins are often very tight in restaurants and they often cut costs wherever they can and I imagine a cool chemistry straw like this would be more expensive than the standard straws which are purchased by the thousand... and which many bars stopped using entirely again due to cost reduction efforts. I am supportive, though. Like the idea a lot, hence my focus on addressing possible gaps in making it a widespread easily accessible reality.

You should try harder then. In fairness though, we've seen your same claims refuted so many times here over the last 2 years that it's not surprising you haven't seen them being so new to the community. Either way, I'm bored arguing that evolution is valid against creationists, that anthropogenic climate change is real against deniers, and that covid vaccine is more effective than natural immunity. It's a level of ignorance I expect in a child, not in a functioning adult. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211031/covid-vax-5-times-more-protective-than-natural-immunity Yes: Discussion is not your intent here.

The claim that natural immunity is better than vaccine has been refuted across studies and across populations. Here and elsewhere and people saying otherwise are lying or mistaken or both m. Having spent so many years arguing with creationists and climate change deniers, I recognize this type of poster. Nothing I post will change his mind. He’s too emotionally committed to his conclusion, or simply stirring the pot. Either way, a waste of time.

Try reading the thread you decided to aggressively troll.

This is false. This is false. This is false.

During a press conference just now with the chancellor of Germany, President Biden warned Russia that invading Ukraine would be the end of its plans for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

From the Congressional Research Service reference shared in my post immediately preceding SJs (emphasis added): Virtually every President is presumed to take into account a wide range of political considerations when faced with the responsibility of filling a Supreme Court vacancy. For political or other reasons, nominee attributes such as party affiliation, ideological orientation, geographic origin, ethnicity, religion, and gender may be of particular importance to a President. A President’s search for professional excellence in a nominee rarely proceeds without also taking political factors into account.

Any time

Depends on what you're into, really. Some people pay extra for that.

Mostly I'm saying I don't give a shit what Peterson is saying. He's a pot stirrer trying to get attention and appeal to a very vocal minority. He's not representing actual issues that are actually problematic IMO. Also this:

Entirely irrelevant to what I said. You suggested motivation was the only thing which might allow someone to resist torture. I provided numerous other things which demonstrated that claim as plainly false. Frequency or commonality of those alternative explanations matters not. Your personal incredulity is also irrelevant, as is your own personal response to pain. Why wouldn't a person just tell you what you want to hear also when they're being tortured? If they'll do that and just tell you what you want to hear even in the face of far less intense or severe questioning practices, so why wouldn't that extend also to more torturous approaches? (EDIT: I may have misread you... you may be saying they'll share what you NEED to know, not LIE and say what they think you WANT to hear to end the captivity or torture /EDIT). This subject has come up many times here. The outcome is always the same. My unkind summary of those exchanges is as follows: Some people watched a bit too much 24 where Kiefer Sutherland playing Jack Bauer was able to beat the terrorist and save the girl. This is basically the sum total of their thoughts on torture as a mechanism for extracting information. Note that I'm not referring to Zapatos here, but instead am speaking in general terms. Knowing him like I do, I suspect Zapatos is mostly saying that no options should be ruled out in advance and torture ought to be left as an option on the table. The stance he has represents an unwillingness to ever answer in the absolute... to never say anything with 100% certainty and ensure all positions leave room for the exception... that he's 99% certain he wouldn't torture, not 100% (please correct me if I'm wrong). I digress... the past discussions on torture always seemed to return to the same answer. Torture will sometimes be helpful but only as if that happened by accident. The person shared information they would have shared via other means (i.e. the torture was incidental, not causative). Further, those discussions always reminded us who are using evidence to inform our positions (and not Jack Bauer from 24 episodes) that the FAR better and more successful approach to extracting information is to build a trusting bond with the captive and have them share openly what you need after building a rapport and trusting relationship with them with respect and dignity. More bees with honey... fewer beatings from batons and more sharing of few bits of nice food, bringing water when they're dehydrated, offering them a smoke, etc. The research seems to support this, but I'll be damned if the search function on the site will let me find all of the past works I've cited when this topic was raised. Sorry about that. Feel free to dismiss this all as unsupported, but it's not.

Too many other variables to consider. Go see a doctor. Until then, keep in mind that this is the internet so it's definitely cancer and your penis is going to fall off within 3 weeks. Better act now.

Or a congenital insensitivity to pain… or just practice desensitizing to it. Or years of mental and mindfulness training and an ability to keep a quiet mind even in the presence of intense stimuli. Or be in a state of physical and mental shock. Or any of the countless many other things which would help one resist torture that have literally nothing whatsoever to do with motivation.

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https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R44235.pdf

Also, it’s being stoked by the crowd who would look at Biden’s cancer research efforts and says, “oh look, now Biden is even trying to take away our cancer!” Manufactured outrage. Benghazi! Her Emails! Murderous caravans at the border! Socialism!! Stoke the fear, pump up the rage balloon, control the masses! One needs look no further than this very thread to confirm it works even on otherwise very intelligent and thoughtful folks.