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Okay, but unless you’re suggesting those feelings of disgust are inborn and not learned I’m unclear the relevance to this discussion. Because mostly when it comes to human expressions of intimacy, I don’t stop first to ask whether it’s homo or hetero. I really don’t care. Just don’t. Nobody should, IMO. It’s the ones that DO care that seem to be causing all of the social problems related to this topic.

There’s been a massive cultural shift away from this these last decades, and that momentum is only increasing each day.

You’re not alone in that. Also, used to being the smartest person in the room and struggling to adjust to the new room here. 42. More specifically, from joigus’ link: There are multiple techniques available not only to demonstrate the existence of fetal memory but to measure it.

We often compete for resources in an innate manner, but how we treat others is something learned. I understand, but your position works both ways. Even if unintentionally, you described where homophobia comes from when you posted that.

What is abusive about accepting a child as they are, giving them support when they realize they’re homosexual, trans, or anything else deemed to be “unsavory” by the ignorant masses? Your point here doesn’t make any sense. Hyperbole has gone awry if THAT now qualifies in your mind as “child abuse.”

Are you saying that heterosexual individuals are incapable of having butt sex? Because if not, your suggestion is moot. The disgust should surround the lack of adequate protection, not the fact that a penis sometimes enters an anus (which as I said is hardly limited to homosexuals).

What crime exactly would you have them charged with? If they’re not your kids, what business is it of yours? Those links we put into our posts aren’t just there for decoration, you know. It’s actually not. This is the far more parsimonious explanation for homophobic tendencies than is “it’s an evolved trait” as some here seem to steadfastly think.

Isaac Asimov, Second Foundation (Foundation, #3) The accuracy of such predictions would be contingent upon one’s knowledge of the individuals gut microbiome and how that interacts with the other layers of their nervous system. Even simple things like fatigue level and hydration levels and cortisol levels would need to be accounted for.

I won’t judge you for it. I’m fair. I also neither misunderstood nor up down vote you.

and it was wrong that time, too. Our minds are not tabula rasa at birth. There’s quite a lot there already.

This is contrary to the evidence already shared in the post immediately prior to this one from you I’ve quoted It happens far sooner

That’s their entire reason for posting here 🤷‍♂️

Research suggests parental cues are essentially the entire reason young humans have any gender based differences or preferences, even in early infancy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7002030/ Gender socialization influences children at early ages, shaping their developing identities. The toys provided by parents deliver some of the earliest gender-based messages by encouraging children to engage in activities associated with, for example, dolls and trucks. In the current study, we measured the influence of parental socialization by assessing 5- and 12 ½-month-old infants’ exposure to dolls and trucks and by experimentally manipulating parents’ encouragement to play with these toys. We found that infants displayed gender-typical toy preferences at 12 ½, but not 5 months, a pattern characteristic of previous studies. However, brief encouragement by a parent to play with toys from each category was ineffective in altering infants’ preferences. Rather, the types of toys present in the home predicted preferences, suggesting that at-home exposure to toys may be influential in the development of toy preferences. These findings reveal that socialization processes may indeed play a role in the formation of early gender-typical toy preferences and highlight the importance of equal toy exposure during infancy to ensure optimal development. … even as early as 4 and 5 months, parents make toys available to their female infants that they do not make available to their male infants (i.e., dolls and pink toys), and that the availability of these toys, or lack thereof, maps onto later toy preferences. It is important to note that infants are agender (i.e. without gender); children do not demonstrate that they recognize their gender until around 24 months of age (Stennes et al. 2005) nor do they verbally self-identify their gender until around the age of 2 ½ years (Kohlberg 1966). Yet, our study provides evidence that present-day parents construct a gendered world for even their very young, agender infants, in this case via exposure to toys, despite the gender-neutral parenting approach that has been espoused by gender-conscious parents. We show that brief, overt attempts to influence infants’ preferences are ineffective. Rather, the availability of toys in the home predicts the amount of play with toys, which in turn predicts children’s preferences.

Without confirmation, isn’t this a waste of time? ”Hey guys… what’s the best explanation for this behavior which might not even be a real behavior?”

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Disgust over things which spread illness and disease (like spitting, coughing, nose picking, and scrotal scratching) makes good sense in social groups where for centuries even a small cut or stubbed toe could (and rather often did) lead to infection and death. Disgust over OTHER PEOPLE happening to prefer intimacy with more similarly gendered partners does NOT help prevent the spread of illness and disease. You are a free man with a free mind and are equally free to feel disgust over any ridiculous damned thing you want, but let’s please drop the charade and stop pretending it serves some higher evolutionary purpose when it’s felt toward non-heterosexuals just for being who they are and loving who they love.

I reckon then it’s good that I never suggested otherwise. Yeah, I didn’t figure you’d take this seriously. Greatly appreciate the early confirmation that you can justifiably be ignored on this.

Evidence confirms (and has for a very long time) that your personal theory is false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa#Psychology_and_neurobiology We use heuristics to save time and energy. That makes it look like old dogs cannot learn new tricks, but again the evidence suggests otherwise (except perhaps for language acquisition). Mostly those theories suggest that the concepts of conscious and unconscious minds are badly outdated nonsense.

Those odds suck. Horrible.

I sure hope so! When did you choose to find women attractive? Did you research it first? We’re not talking about food, or even about sexual preference. We’re talking about the ostracizing of others based on what THEY prefer, and suggesting that’s evolved somehow is downright laughable. And even if I’m wrong, I’m not the one making the affirmative claim. The onus to support it is on those saying this distaste did evolve. More likely the suggestion this is nature not nurture is just an attempt to rationalize a feeling that causes one to feel dissonance and makes it hard to continue thinking of oneself as a good person. If evolution did it to me, after all, then I don’t have to feel bad for giving a shit who others dip their sticks into nor make any efforts whatsoever to change it.

Because the society in which that tolerance must be practiced is often filled with shitty people and like lifting a heavy weight, it takes practice to battle back constantly... day in and day out... just to be accepted for who one is and how they were born. More likely is the animals that are smarter than us simply don't care. Whales, for example. x-posted with Phi

Mostly because homophones are just anxious, weak, immature children in grownup bodies. The lack of courage is directly correlated with the inability to accept others who are deemed to be different from ourselves.

Your point is fair. I'm also reminded of the over 5,000 Bangladeshi workers that recently died building the World Cup facilities in Qatar. Even so, the deeper cause here is greed, a desire for unlimited resources, and a lack of compassion, humanity, or empathy for our non-local brethren living across other borders, not "globalization." It's poor policies and lowest common denominator free market practices for infrastructure and power and other things, like you say. But digging one layer lower and we must remind ourselves... Shitty people with power and shitty families with enormous wealth ought not get a free pass from all of us as we distract ourselves with the Scooby-Doo villain of "globalization!!"

It seems they're sending in prisoners and other similar societal "undesirables" as the first wave from Russia to be followed by their more experienced soldiers and troops. They're using them as fodder to help clear the path for those following... whether on trains or otherwise.