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Hard to disagree with that. Maybe it’s just me, but I get the very real sense that folks open to accepting others for who they are tend also to be more open to mutually respectful discussions than are folks that feel repulsed by who other people happen to live… and it’s a several orders of magnitude difference IMO.

Sometimes sufficient time must be measured geologically

At least one is thoughtful exchanges of ideas together in good faith and without fear of retribution or retaliation… and doing that at scale. Integration, not isolation. Ideas cannot be drowned out by fear and anger, and the best ones tend to rise to the top and win the day after sufficient time passes… regardless of how powerful or persistent are their enemies.

I think I may previously have misunderstood your position. That’s what I get for posting with kids running around. Another often forgotten impact of deglobalizing and splitting into little island blocs separate from each other is how poverty stricken nations… something like 60% or one out of every two out there is in a poverty trap right now after borrowing to survive Covid… and they can’t pay it back… deglobalizing makes that even worse bc it pulls $1.5 Trillion with a T dollars out of the system each and every year… $3T by year 2, $6T by year 4, $15 Trillion evaporated from the economy in just one decade… If you think people are mad and hungry now, just wait and watch how they react after another fifteen trillion dollars drops out from below them while they’re carrying an already too heavy burden of debt, dehydration, hunger, and suffering. My numbers are from the recent 2023 IMF report, but I may be misreading that too. The kids are kinda always being kids, after all.

The balloon collected intelligence about how the U.S. responds. They watched the ballon cross into Alaska and how we responded. They watched how the government and military responded the entire next week. They watched the news coverage and national freak out on social media. The conspiracy theories that were most cited. The anger and disappointment at Biden. They watched family members sniping at each other. They watched what other things and places we stopped watching while watching this. Now the next time when they want to deploy a virus against our banking system or energy grid, or just want more leverage in a negotiation over carbon credits and trade… they’ll just float a balloon across the continental US so we look up and watch it like wide-eyed children. “Oooohhh… shiny!”

From the environment itself, most likely. I think I see now where the core issue exists. Thanks for being so open about your preference for and priority of personal opinion over decades upon decades of peer reviewed research.

We can only respond to the words you type and submit, which in this case were the following: Simply repeating an invalid point over and over again without adding any new information doesn’t magically render it true. You were wrong, and/or your phrasing sloppy. Big deal. Man up. Either do a better job at defending your stance to support why it’s correct or acknowledge that you made a mistake and learned something new today. Is your ego too fragile to acknowledge or accept that latter possibility? Can you not even conceive of the possibility that you too are imperfect? Will you now attack me with bile and vitriol and childish whining to remind everyone just how thick your skin is?

Not when one lives in a culture where being gay is accepted as perfectly normal and entirely valid. People shouldn’t have to beg society for basic decency and respect just bc they happen to love differently than you do.

that the child has innate gender identity Fair. I wasn’t as precise as I could’ve been. We are not born hating others for who we love or find attractive. That is learned. It is cultural. Who we as individuals find attractive can have both social and genetic contributors, but I come down on the side that it’s more nature than nurture involved there. It’s complex though and we need to be open to both. More to the point: I also suggest that the very concept of gender itself is a social construct that’s somewhat arbitrary. We impose it on infants the moment they leave the womb based solely on their plumbing. That’s what gets imprinted on children by parents and tribal elders. That’s what’s fully nurture. “You have dangly bits. That means male and male means you just like female! Do not question the orthodoxy!!” It’s silliness. They’re human. You may as well be forcing them to be a Red Sox fan just bc they’re born with red hair. Super dumb. This isn’t a perfect description of all my thoughts on this topic, but is a mostly accurate summary of what I’ve tried to communicate here. Other people need to stop caring so much about who I or you or our kids happen to find attractive and want to get jiggy with. It’s none of our damned business. Just walk away and shut up about it. Does that help to clarify my points, or have I really missed the mark? Which also very easily could’ve been taught and or learned. What have you done specifically to rule out alternative possibilities?

Okay, but unless you’re suggesting those feelings of disgust are inborn and not learned I’m unclear the relevance to this discussion. Because mostly when it comes to human expressions of intimacy, I don’t stop first to ask whether it’s homo or hetero. I really don’t care. Just don’t. Nobody should, IMO. It’s the ones that DO care that seem to be causing all of the social problems related to this topic.

There’s been a massive cultural shift away from this these last decades, and that momentum is only increasing each day.

You’re not alone in that. Also, used to being the smartest person in the room and struggling to adjust to the new room here. 42. More specifically, from joigus’ link: There are multiple techniques available not only to demonstrate the existence of fetal memory but to measure it.

We often compete for resources in an innate manner, but how we treat others is something learned. I understand, but your position works both ways. Even if unintentionally, you described where homophobia comes from when you posted that.

What is abusive about accepting a child as they are, giving them support when they realize they’re homosexual, trans, or anything else deemed to be “unsavory” by the ignorant masses? Your point here doesn’t make any sense. Hyperbole has gone awry if THAT now qualifies in your mind as “child abuse.”

Are you saying that heterosexual individuals are incapable of having butt sex? Because if not, your suggestion is moot. The disgust should surround the lack of adequate protection, not the fact that a penis sometimes enters an anus (which as I said is hardly limited to homosexuals).

What crime exactly would you have them charged with? If they’re not your kids, what business is it of yours? Those links we put into our posts aren’t just there for decoration, you know. It’s actually not. This is the far more parsimonious explanation for homophobic tendencies than is “it’s an evolved trait” as some here seem to steadfastly think.

Isaac Asimov, Second Foundation (Foundation, #3) The accuracy of such predictions would be contingent upon one’s knowledge of the individuals gut microbiome and how that interacts with the other layers of their nervous system. Even simple things like fatigue level and hydration levels and cortisol levels would need to be accounted for.

I won’t judge you for it. I’m fair. I also neither misunderstood nor up down vote you.

and it was wrong that time, too. Our minds are not tabula rasa at birth. There’s quite a lot there already.

This is contrary to the evidence already shared in the post immediately prior to this one from you I’ve quoted It happens far sooner

That’s their entire reason for posting here 🤷‍♂️

Research suggests parental cues are essentially the entire reason young humans have any gender based differences or preferences, even in early infancy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7002030/ Gender socialization influences children at early ages, shaping their developing identities. The toys provided by parents deliver some of the earliest gender-based messages by encouraging children to engage in activities associated with, for example, dolls and trucks. In the current study, we measured the influence of parental socialization by assessing 5- and 12 ½-month-old infants’ exposure to dolls and trucks and by experimentally manipulating parents’ encouragement to play with these toys. We found that infants displayed gender-typical toy preferences at 12 ½, but not 5 months, a pattern characteristic of previous studies. However, brief encouragement by a parent to play with toys from each category was ineffective in altering infants’ preferences. Rather, the types of toys present in the home predicted preferences, suggesting that at-home exposure to toys may be influential in the development of toy preferences. These findings reveal that socialization processes may indeed play a role in the formation of early gender-typical toy preferences and highlight the importance of equal toy exposure during infancy to ensure optimal development. … even as early as 4 and 5 months, parents make toys available to their female infants that they do not make available to their male infants (i.e., dolls and pink toys), and that the availability of these toys, or lack thereof, maps onto later toy preferences. It is important to note that infants are agender (i.e. without gender); children do not demonstrate that they recognize their gender until around 24 months of age (Stennes et al. 2005) nor do they verbally self-identify their gender until around the age of 2 ½ years (Kohlberg 1966). Yet, our study provides evidence that present-day parents construct a gendered world for even their very young, agender infants, in this case via exposure to toys, despite the gender-neutral parenting approach that has been espoused by gender-conscious parents. We show that brief, overt attempts to influence infants’ preferences are ineffective. Rather, the availability of toys in the home predicts the amount of play with toys, which in turn predicts children’s preferences.

Without confirmation, isn’t this a waste of time? ”Hey guys… what’s the best explanation for this behavior which might not even be a real behavior?”

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