swansont

No, you’re misreading them. And the exact result and the approximation are equal at the level of precision of the experiment. They would differ if you carried the calculation out to a higher precision. You’re the one saying that if g were constant there would be no time dilation, and you’re quoting a source that confirms you are incorrect. A constant g does predict time dilation varying with h.

What? You have this backwards. A low-precision doesn’t force you to use an approximation. It allows you to, because any difference in their results requires more precision than you can measure. Meaning that the difference between the two calculations lies somewhere out past the ~10^-16 precision that was measured. Trivially confirmable, too, if you’d bother to investigate (i.e. work through the algebra) IOW, the effect is because of h, not because of the change in g. Because the potential varies as r, but g varies as r^2

Conservation of energy stems from the time translation symmetry of the laws of physics. But one has to remember that conservation only applies to a single inertial frame of reference.

Lots of them You can punch numbers into a calculator. What’s your point? (also you should show your work in more detail. you only have one significant digit with .009; where did that come from and why isn’t there more precision?)

The difference between the equations is well below the precision of the measurement, but the more important issue is you’re claiming a different result.

The claim that there is no time dilation with constant g is inconsistent with GR. Thus, your claims are inconsistent with GR and can’t be based on it. GR claims a frequency shift of gh/c^2, i.e. it varies with h, and you claim it’s constant. There is no gravity inside of the shell. g=0; it’s trivially constant, but it’s not the general case.

So much for your earlier claim that this is consistent with GR. Can you derive the time dilation effect without using GR, and making it consistent with this claim? i.e. that there is no time dilation with constant g. Can you predict the Pound-Rebka experimental results? Yes, and there are Newtonian forces acting on the car that make it do this. There is no force on the straw. You can't make a stronger straw and have it resist the bending, because the effect is not dependent on the straw; the straw doesn't actually bend. The light does. In Newtonian terms, if I fall, it's because there is an acceleration that is the mechanism (gravity in this case), and thereby a force. If you can't tie your effect back to this concept, then how is it consistent with Newtonian physics (in the regime where Newtonian physics is valid)?

! Moderator Note Discussion of aliens has been split https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124844-aliens-from-space-split-from-time-to-talk-about-ufos-or-now-as-the-military-calls-them-uaps/

What is the evidence that time is a substance, like matter is, or even non-matter but with physical properties, like photons? What properties does it have? i.e. how do you detect time, or time particles (I guess we would call them chronons) When measured locally.

! Moderator Note We established that UFO ≠ aliens in the other thread, and so to backslide into equating them is problem. I'e split this off so folks can discuss actual evidence for aliens visiting earth ,and not cross-contaminate the other discussion. So feel free to list some of the evidence from that video, because "ooh, go watch this video" won't suffice, per rule 2.7 That's an incredibly vague description, so as to be basically useless. What is the actual isotopic breakdown? (some science to discuss, rather than a soundbite) "Whoever made this material created it at the atomic level, working with individual isotopes, and not just elements." doesn't really get much leverage from someone with a background in biology and medicine.

I was asking for the causal mechanism (i.e. how time dilation is a force), not an explanation of what you were deriving. I was just thinking of the case where one has a constant gravitational acceleration, and the fractional frequency shift is gh/c^2, so g is right there in the equation, as my thought for why I would be unsurprised that time dilation might have a correlation with another effect that depends on g. It seems it would be trivial to rearrange the equation. The general description is that time dilation depends on the gravitational potential. So basically you're surprised that the gravitational potential depends on gravity and that you could parameterize some other effect that depends on gravity. OK.

No, this doesn’t follow. We did not get into this situation because fossil fuels and other polluting actions were more expensive, we got here because they were the cheapest and/or easiest option. If you lack the means, you are generally forced into course of action that pollutes. Money gives you other options. Yes, precisely. That requires that a carbon tax be implemented. The countries doing the most damage (USA, China) don’t have a carbon tax.

Really? Provide a link to the post. No, I didn’t say it was obvious. I said it would be unsurprising.

Since time dilation and deflection of light are both effects that derive from GR, it seems unsurprising that they would be correlated. Effects based on time dilation being the cause, and gravity as refraction. No, you don’t get a new thread.

! Moderator Note Merged with existing thread

! Moderator Note You posted this in the evolution section, so leave religion out of it. This goes for all participants.

Boiling does not produce energy. Liquids will boil at low pressure if they possess enough energy to change phase at the temperature they have. e.g. at 0.5 atmospheres, water boils at ~80ºC. At 0.25 atm, it's about 60 ºC. Keep getting lower and it will boil at room temperature. What is a hydrogen-powered steam engine? Are you boiling hydrogen, or making steam?

Prof Reza Sanaye has been suspended for repeated thread hijacks and instances of arguing in bad faith. (we have a low tolerance for appeal to conspiracy, among other things)

The thing is, being on twitter, soundbites are kind of necessary, and it's easy to read too much into a tweet where someone is trying to be pithy. Steak-Umm wasn't wrong, but it's arguable what "it" encompasses. The process of science, or the knowledge it uncovers? And are you picking nits when the parenthetical "all science is subject to revision if new information is uncovered" isn't included, because perhaps that was meant to be understood? So yeah, it could have been worded better, but then it wouldn't flow as well. "The good thing about Science is that the truth of the information it uncovers doesn't depend on whether or not you believe in it." would be better, but won't fit as well onto a t-shirt. It's also a matter of his followers probably knowing the science is both a process and a body of knowledge and being able to discern between the two uses, and Steak-Umm cynically assuming that his followers aren't those people.

An ion lifter as described doesn't work in outer space; you need to ionize air molecules for them to work. But you are correct, it wouldn't be collisions that create the thrust, but the reaction from the motion of the ions you have created.

I don't disagree, but the question was about why things are the way they are, not how things should be. (and there are governments that do something about this) This could easily apply to real estate that is not being offered to people who are just getting by. My apartment would probably cost half as much if I lived another hour outside of the city.

The thing is, if you live in a town or city, you probably don't have a job farming. Those people live on the farm. It's not high-density labor employment (you were asked for numbers. Where are they?) Besides fishing and farming and a couple of stores to supply them with what they need, what else would attract people to work there? (You could be a novelist and live in Cabot Cove, because you can do that anywhere, but personally I'd keep away from a place like that because of all the murders) If you attract a bunch of other businesses to the town, employing a lot of people, then it's not a small town anymore. And some companies are going to demand/require infrastructure. Power, roads, etc. A supply of labor, possibly skilled labor. And if a lot of people live there, the rental costs are going to go up, because of supply and demand.

From what I've read the power requirement is tens of watts (i.e. several milliamps at tens of kV) for the basic lifter, which isn't very massive, but you need to lift a payload to carry the power supply. This paper mentions a lift of less than 5N/m^2, and a maximum efficiency of ~70 N/kW (and they mention getting higher geometrical lift at the expense of a lower electrical efficiency) https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.4890353 So it's quite likely that nobody has built a lifter that can lift its own power supply for any appreciable length of time. You can characterize this as insufficient power being the problem, or as insufficient thrust being the problem.

Unfortunately, those of us in the US weren’t able to dismiss him out of hand. And yet his administration’s response seems to not have much to do with the information he got, since he largely ignored it and did almost nothing. Which is one reason I want to know why it would have mattered knowing the details of how the virus originally spread. Would Trump have done a different kind of nothing? Would governors have changed their push to repeatedly reopen too soon? Would they have done something different in avoiding mask mandates? How were these decisions based on the WHO's investigation?

I don’t see an analogy in the post, and no, “employability” does not reflect poorly on the discipline. Colleges/universities are not vocational schools (can you get a job doing e.g. English Literature or Art History? Are there a lot of professional philosophers out there, just philosophizing?), and employability is impacted by supply and demand, among other factors.