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  1. Objectively, Incomprehension is not refutation. Its a singular, stand alone value. One. If its value is dependent or entangled with another, separate One, its not gonna stand on its own. It has no value as a stand alone focal object. Objectively, You have the value of one, just like every body else. Your being One neither bestows or subtracts from any other One. In an objective statehood. Thats objective equality. You can just call me One.
  2. I don't know if its any kind of silver bullet, I do think it an important part of the puzzle. The Nationals here in Aus. have agreed to net zero by 2050 after holding out this long. I'm sure Farmers For Climate Action has played a large part, supporting that change. That information and more, like the feeding of seaweed to Ruminants, is being amassed by farmers eager to do their bit and contribute. The pressure applied to the Nationals from within is one result. Bottom up. Weather delegates are able to process the information provided well enough to incentivize replication and further innovation, new direction in farming remains to be seen. The top down solutions proposed by many seem to focus more on what should be discarded or made redundant, than recognition of that kind of response-ability and potential. What to sacrifice, not what can be modified locally, without the more intimate 'local' understanding of the bits discarded or any potential they may have had. . The puzzle is too big and complex to be seen from a single perspective. I hope the perspective generated by the conference understands that well enough to take direction from participants of the puzzle, rather than just promoting their redundancies.
  3. Do you mean how many subjects you can find ? There lies endless potential. If the ability to respond is there.
  4. And the entitlement to un-equal virtue.
  5. An interesting study. Would tie into positive and negative reward systems of training/learning cognition. Blocking of unwanted behaviors coupled with reward would seem far more effective than 'punishment' or devaluation, much less likely to provoke resistance and ties in with studies showing that value (of behaviors, goods etc) must be demonstrated before recognition.
  6. And no one left in a position where taking responsibility for that won't be blocked by very heavy resistance. Direction is to function, not to form. Form follows, or looses further environmental direction in favor of maintaining state.
  7. Equal to those who insist these Human conditions manifest in isolation, independent of the environment they are subject to, and attempt to subtract their way to an ideal state. Look to Pedigree dogs to see where that leads. Nothing left to work with.
  8. Because it is patronizing, and not done in recognition of an equal. Its a pretense to disguise inequality. Acceptance of delusion. whether or not its harmless is subjective. You make assumptions not borne out by other perspectives, and it sounds like with out a genuine attempt at seeing for yourself, though I may be wrong. I don't think his debate is with minorities or that he unwilling to address their issues, but that he recognizes the dangers of assuming an objective collective identity that justifies the marginalization of humanity. Because it does. His argument is with the those people who believe you can assign us all to our relative boxes, and address the box instead of the content. While ignoring their spill and entanglement. 'Racist' and 'Far Right' are also used in place of counter argument here as disrespectful dismissal. Bell curve applies to all conditions of humanity with overlap across the board. As such, Human conditions are descriptive, not definitive. Application of objective values to Human conditions is objective- of environment. Definitive, and a corruption of Human language. It can only subtract, or exclude from the description. Acceptance of an objective identity requires that it be defined, for recognition. To object to what does not belong. Environment. Thats your 7(?!!) people who have actual mental health issues, as well as the free loaders, the outliers at either end of the bell curve and any other not strictly 'definitive' . It shrinks. Like the Demon summoned to materialize in a pentagram drawn on its navel. These Human conditions are Subject of environment It is. The arguments are not mutually exclusive, though you read them that way. Most times your chosen pronouns should be respected as a courtesy in common. No disagreement. But no virtue I can think of should demand I express a reality other than the one my own reasoning shows me. No. J.P. has been standing his ground and refusing to concede. He is not 'forcing' anyone. He is resisting being forced. Uncle Tom? Far Right activist? My reality says otherwise. Racists wet dream? I've defended IRL, too many times, black public figures from these slurs aimed and un-challenged by people claiming to be on the virtuous side. Two black opinions expressed. The 1st arguing for reparations and reckoning of todays humanity for suffering inflicted. The 2nd arguing for help where its needed today, to address the ongoing effects. Like drug dependence, Poverty, affordable housing, education and health access. Issues that stand in the way of equals to participation. Both valid perspectives. Nothing in one should exclude the other. But almost always, someone who recognizes their own white privilege then uses it to discredit the 2nd with those labels. Both are black. Both are equally representative of black perspective.. I was told the 2nd was not. Its inclusion 'cherry picking' because the author was clearly advocating a Right wing agenda. Thats your white privilege in action, choosing the representatives of the minorities you choose to recognize. Pretty extreme and not an isolated incident by any stretch. This is how your 'outliers' increase, not decrease. Part of your answer above. No. J.P is arguing Transgenderism doesn't exist Objectively. Its subjective. Backed by science. The same protections should be afforded equally.
  9. So do I. It has made a huge difference to my little piece of earth that was once classed as 'Dryland' and and what I feel is a great example of bottom up action, doing what you can where you are-tackling the issues you see in front of you from that more intimate understanding. Big tech/corporations have a lot to answer for in modern farming practices and agriculture education- and no doubt too many other areas. I have little faith in top down solutions that view agriculture from a monolithic/objective perspective. Australian Farmers for climate action are ensuring the information has been made available. If its kept to hand we will have to see.
  10. As a child migrant to Australia I was reprimanded by my class mates for addressing my teacher as 'Sir'. I explained it was the norm where I came from. I was told you never address a person with a title of respect that is un earned or excessive to their relative position. As to diversity, I found Australians in general very accepting, but part of that expression included drawing attention to your difference, maybe with a descriptive nick name(though not in the case of more intimate difference) eg. He may be a block head but hes ours. I believe the argument here and and in general is not weather we improve conditions for minorities or not, But if that is best achieved by providing Direction ie. be mindful that the world offers us all a unique perspective and try to understand and accept those as equal products of our human environment. Provide a 'better' perspective where one is imposing on others. A biological definition of response ability. Or imposing a perspective or statehood that reduces environment to that state, so avoids that responsibility. Objective Vs subjective values. Objective is subtractive, of environment.
  11. Explore other philosophies. These ones could just as accurately be described anti-free will. The ability to decide measurement of being, or values. Value is always subjective. This objective application is based on belief, not philosophy. By applying subjective value beyond the margins of the subject.
  12. I think its the responsibility of us all. Not a fault of the environment we live in. It is what it is because thats what we continue to collectively support. Economic Growth and excessively wasteful consumption . So stop looking at personal waste and inefficiency. Demand your environment no longer support it ? That either ignores or has little understanding of biological law. We do need manufactories to change the way/goods they produce, but thats going to be too slow while we collectively make it more profitable to continue as is.
  13. The site is not allowing me to quote for some reason. On the O.P, I think its less a dialogue between Conservative Vs Liberalism than objective Vs Subjective values, which we tend to apply arbitrarily (dependent on the subject) and not confined to either a liberal or conservative mindset but more closely to the bell curve model. For this reason I think its presumptuous to assume political affiliation based on how those values are applied to specific subjects. ie If he doesn't agree we are on the right path he must be other than we. Objective to we. On the subject of Hierarchies being natural, It seems they are essential to selection and evolution, if there is to be selection. Otherwise what are we selecting from or for? A universal state of being, or universal direction? I.M.O Competence is what J.P is arguing most strenuously for, to avoid conflict. Most here seem to have lead lives of 'privilege' where real bodily threat has not been a common issue. Where you realize you are about to be hurt, is it going to be fight, flight or surrender? Competence to make the choice and live with the result. In my experience when flight is not an option, even the illusion of competence can be what diffuses the situation to avoid violence if you can make clear you can stand, without surrender. I may not agree with all J.P has to say, that doesn't mean I think he he has nothing of value to contribute or that its value is lessened because I don't objectively share a box with him.
  14. Australian Farmers have also created a coalition of Farmers for Climate action. C.S.I.R.O has conducted their own tests on Seaweed meal and its not unusual for even grass fed cattle to get mineral and seaweed mix. Grazing animals and even hooved animals are an essential part maintaining healthy biologically diverse grasslands and soil biomass. Monoculture croplands are every bit as damaging to that as poor grazing practice.
  15. To create data then? Or to assign values to that data/take its measure. Value = being
  16. One. Recognition. A single unit of value. Minimum requirement for measure of a thing/existence/being. Subject of recognition. ie does any value exist with out registration/recognition.
  17. Very open conversations with my niece and an old friend who who have expressed similar sentiments, happy to say they are Trans Women, not simply Women. They embrace a difference. Its just being who they feel comfortable being. A small sample. No doubt there will be others equally qualified who say the opposite. I won't claim to be better qualified than either.
  18. I agree an equal platform in sports should be available to Trans Men and Women as to those held by men and women. If the stake holders agree those divisions are sufficient, there is no place for me to be concerned otherwise. Some sports though have been segregated specifically to ensure Women do have an equal platform. If stake holders are saying those division are not sufficient to maintain equal platforms, its not my place to dismiss their concerns either.
  19. I disagree. Discussion of equality here would require an understanding of the principles that support its structure. The difference between diversity and division for example. Its assumption or rejection.
  20. C.T demands the Human environment once again accept a two structured system, in order to make amends. The problem as I see it is the labelling of the 2 structures is going to inform expectation. Low expectations from the oppressors of the oppressed. While there will be little reason to trust or value those who openly accept they are oppressors. Both parties are expected to accept the truth of those structures. Those who refuse seem to be the new oppressed. There is no recognition of their humanity, and we are refusing access to Human structures. A place to stand. No platform. So we have a 3 way split system with roughly 1/2 the population supporting a renewed two structured system, in opposition to the other half. Neither of which recognize the value of the other. Equal and opposite reactions. I think Trump was a symptom, not the cause of the polarization. People who feel they were being pushed out, attempting to reclaim their space. There is not much equalibrium in any of that for the whole of subjective Humanity. No common direction.
  21. The comparison was meant to highlight the effects of ignoring logic in the formation of social /human constructs. No where near enough context I agree. 😅 Woof The Subject (our Humanity) must be divided before there can even be oppressor and oppressed. We worked hard to finally dismantle a double system structure. I'm sure its the application of objective value to what should be subjective that does that. A subject is the sum of its parts. If they are equal to its purpose and direction, there is no objective measure of its parts that won't divide, and reduce the sum by its measure. Diversity is the antithesis of equality. It looks like that objective value bias is the structure of racism or bigotry, as ordered by our common language, but is also responsible for much more complex biological behavior than that, Affecting selection processes, expectation, responsibility from bottom to top of all biological structure. Still not close enough to express what I'm seeing effectively, though I'm convinced it is relevant. Your request I try @TheVathas brought me a lot closer. In the meantime, I've no one and no where else to practice. The patience of a few is appreciated. Sorry guys if you don't share it..
  22. So that a black woman who stands in front of congresss and declares she is not oppressed and won't accept that label becomes a 'Racists wet dream' and an enemy of her shared humanity.
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