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  1. Explore other philosophies. These ones could just as accurately be described anti-free will. The ability to decide measurement of being, or values. Value is always subjective. This objective application is based on belief, not philosophy. By applying subjective value beyond the margins of the subject.
  2. I would say accomplishment is reward for those.
  3. I think its the responsibility of us all. Not a fault of the environment we live in. It is what it is because thats what we continue to collectively support. Economic Growth and excessively wasteful consumption . So stop looking at personal waste and inefficiency. Demand your environment no longer support it ? That either ignores or has little understanding of biological law. We do need manufactories to change the way/goods they produce, but thats going to be too slow while we collectively make it more profitable to continue as is.
  4. The site is not allowing me to quote for some reason. On the O.P, I think its less a dialogue between Conservative Vs Liberalism than objective Vs Subjective values, which we tend to apply arbitrarily (dependent on the subject) and not confined to either a liberal or conservative mindset but more closely to the bell curve model. For this reason I think its presumptuous to assume political affiliation based on how those values are applied to specific subjects. ie If he doesn't agree we are on the right path he must be other than we. Objective to we. On the subject of Hierarchies being natural, It seems they are essential to selection and evolution, if there is to be selection. Otherwise what are we selecting from or for? A universal state of being, or universal direction? I.M.O Competence is what J.P is arguing most strenuously for, to avoid conflict. Most here seem to have lead lives of 'privilege' where real bodily threat has not been a common issue. Where you realize you are about to be hurt, is it going to be fight, flight or surrender? Competence to make the choice and live with the result. In my experience when flight is not an option, even the illusion of competence can be what diffuses the situation to avoid violence if you can make clear you can stand, without surrender. I may not agree with all J.P has to say, that doesn't mean I think he he has nothing of value to contribute or that its value is lessened because I don't objectively share a box with him.
  5. Australian Farmers have also created a coalition of Farmers for Climate action. C.S.I.R.O has conducted their own tests on Seaweed meal and its not unusual for even grass fed cattle to get mineral and seaweed mix. Grazing animals and even hooved animals are an essential part maintaining healthy biologically diverse grasslands and soil biomass. Monoculture croplands are every bit as damaging to that as poor grazing practice.
  6. To create data then? Or to assign values to that data/take its measure. Value = being
  7. One. Recognition. A single unit of value. Minimum requirement for measure of a thing/existence/being. Subject of recognition. ie does any value exist with out registration/recognition.
  8. Very open conversations with my niece and an old friend who who have expressed similar sentiments, happy to say they are Trans Women, not simply Women. They embrace a difference. Its just being who they feel comfortable being. A small sample. No doubt there will be others equally qualified who say the opposite. I won't claim to be better qualified than either.
  9. I agree an equal platform in sports should be available to Trans Men and Women as to those held by men and women. If the stake holders agree those divisions are sufficient, there is no place for me to be concerned otherwise. Some sports though have been segregated specifically to ensure Women do have an equal platform. If stake holders are saying those division are not sufficient to maintain equal platforms, its not my place to dismiss their concerns either.
  10. I disagree. Discussion of equality here would require an understanding of the principles that support its structure. The difference between diversity and division for example. Its assumption or rejection.
  11. C.T demands the Human environment once again accept a two structured system, in order to make amends. The problem as I see it is the labelling of the 2 structures is going to inform expectation. Low expectations from the oppressors of the oppressed. While there will be little reason to trust or value those who openly accept they are oppressors. Both parties are expected to accept the truth of those structures. Those who refuse seem to be the new oppressed. There is no recognition of their humanity, and we are refusing access to Human structures. A place to stand. No platform. So we have a 3 way split system with roughly 1/2 the population supporting a renewed two structured system, in opposition to the other half. Neither of which recognize the value of the other. Equal and opposite reactions. I think Trump was a symptom, not the cause of the polarization. People who feel they were being pushed out, attempting to reclaim their space. There is not much equalibrium in any of that for the whole of subjective Humanity. No common direction.
  12. The comparison was meant to highlight the effects of ignoring logic in the formation of social /human constructs. No where near enough context I agree. 😅 Woof The Subject (our Humanity) must be divided before there can even be oppressor and oppressed. We worked hard to finally dismantle a double system structure. I'm sure its the application of objective value to what should be subjective that does that. A subject is the sum of its parts. If they are equal to its purpose and direction, there is no objective measure of its parts that won't divide, and reduce the sum by its measure. Diversity is the antithesis of equality. It looks like that objective value bias is the structure of racism or bigotry, as ordered by our common language, but is also responsible for much more complex biological behavior than that, Affecting selection processes, expectation, responsibility from bottom to top of all biological structure. Still not close enough to express what I'm seeing effectively, though I'm convinced it is relevant. Your request I try @TheVathas brought me a lot closer. In the meantime, I've no one and no where else to practice. The patience of a few is appreciated. Sorry guys if you don't share it..
  13. So that a black woman who stands in front of congresss and declares she is not oppressed and won't accept that label becomes a 'Racists wet dream' and an enemy of her shared humanity.
  14. Contradictory in your indirect appeal to the virtue of a place in Humanity, For those not equally invested in this structure bias. Regardless of our subjective, lived experience. The original objective premise is the incorrect application of value, no matter the motive. It assumes a fixed structure. Accepts that as part of our subjective being.
  15. I think it does when you say Human conditions like sex can't be defined by objective measures while assuming their application to your subject. ie oppressed and oppressor. Representative of numerous perspectives when applying subjective values, yes. It is an important difference that plays a huge role in biological/social structures in assigning values. Starting with an objective premise creates margins and an expectation of their maintenance to uphold the objective entity/identity thus recognized. It corrupts the language of our biology to maintence of an objective structure as essential to any further direction. Like faith. It creates that bias. The gymnastics of a logic in applying objective value to a subjective and expecting an integrated whole I can believe must be very nuanced, multifaceted and layered.
  16. So basically, A pattern was detected. Information received. Yup, sounds about right
  17. I did not see the major players in this thread discredit the Humanity of Trans Women in such a way as this. Food for thought? I could admire this sentiment if I thought it could have a positive out come, but every thing I see says attempting objective measures of Human conditions is not possible with out exclusion. That Critical Theory in practice is not anti racism or anti bigotry at all, just more of the same with a vengeance. More dangerous for its lack of focus. It discredits all of Humanity. There will be loss. Without focus, that doesn't allow you see whats being excluded. It scares hell out of me. I have observed the same thing in The pedigree Dog Registries and its subtly devastating to the subject. Applying negative values and expecting a positive out come. Your arguments are contradictory because they flip from from objective to subjective depending on what best supports them.
  18. This is appreciated. Tho' It does appear you've made assumptions of your own And for the record, I do not neg rep.
  19. It could be as easily said that your insistence a trans woman must be either Male or Female to be recognized demeans the very idea of diversity.
  20. Sorry, Agreed! I was referring to the "something Physical that divides systems and their local environments according to information". Such a faith in the integrity of a systemic state would require certain information to remain external. Blocked. It could explain an evolutionary role for faith, and some of its notable effects on Us Humans Addition highlighted.
  21. Musings here that may or may not be relevant. I still have much to learn of expression in this culture, after too long away from it. My understanding of the physics of biological / social organization has been much more comprehensive when my perspective was shunted from the above, to seeing it all as external. ie my body as the vehicle of consciousness. Another set of conditions I have to contend with. I'm lead to think this might be belief, or more accurately faith, if that can be defined as an assumption that value lies in a 'state' of being rather than the potential of being. Objective value rather than subjective. Faith, that there is a valid form to manifestation with no other being equal to that. to that belief in common. The one with faith in maintaining its statehood, regardless that environmental will not? As for consciousness in other animals, there is the Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness. As a person who works extensively with animals of various species I have no reservations in accepting that. The dog as my avatar was able to learn new things with ease by asking her to imitate me, then putting words to the action. The experiments gave me a lot of insight into how she interpreted those actions and her understanding of them. When I asked her 'do this' and turned full circle in front of her, she walked around me instead- I had exposed all my sides to her, in circling me that was repeated. Turning on a light, she made several attempts to nose it without tripping the switch. Rather than end on a failure we moved on to what she knew before ending the session. The light was not needed so left off. Retuning to room, I found the light on and I switched it off thinking it was my doing, but it was on again several times I returned. Looks very much like an understanding of consequence to me.
  22. I do not understand what is 'transphobic' in acknowledging, recognizing and accepting differences as part of a shared human identity. As if equality is something that does not exist while diversity is recognized, so that a recognition of our shared Humanity can be achieved only if we blind ourselves to it, or mask it by altering our language to so its unable to express diversity.
  23. The value is Subjective. To Environment. Achievable through recognition of diversity, and increasing environment/potentials. The value is Objective, to Environment. So a reductive measure towards a fixed and uniform state.
  24. I think some of us just see equal Human beings, despite our diversity. Where others see Statehoods unequal to their ideal of Humanity.
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