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  1. Some Democratic senators are moving to shut down warrantless wiretapping programs. Among them: Al Franken. http://washingtonindependent.com/60611/al-franken-reads-the-4th-amendment-to-justice-department-official The tacit opinion expressed by Mr. Kris both concerns and enrages me: It's okay until the Supreme Court says otherwise! That sort of attitude sickens me. ANY US Attorney questioned as to the constitutionality of their actions should have a suitable rationale in their mind. Responding "this is surreal" when questioned as to the constitutionality of their actions simply enrages me and screams ineptitude. But I get it, they simply respond to executi…

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  2. I notice that the thread "Are there any relevant secular reasons to oppose gay marriage?" as has been reopened but we are forbidden from discussing some arguments because they are "shifting the question" or "beyond the scope of the debate". So, I wanted to ask another question: Are there any relevant secular reasons to support gay marriage? In other words, how would instituting gay marriage benefit our society? How would instituting gay marriage benefit me? Why should I support gay marriage? It seems to me, there needs to be a good reason for changing a law, and presenting that good reason should come before any opposition to change.

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  3. Started by gre,

    I'm not big on politics, but in general it seems like there's much more ignorance surrounding the republican party... Are democratic and independent voters as brainwashed as the republican party, or does it just seem that way? The majority of the republican voters (fanatics) seem to be either.. A.) Gun owners who think Obama will take away their guns (which going by his voting record is a myth or conspiracy theory). Or B.) just political fanatics, who will overlook reality on all the issues just to maintain faith in their party.

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  4. As another spin-off from the gay marriage thread (not wanting to take it off-topic), I wondered if anyone could come up with any relevant secular reasons to oppose marriage between close relations, such as brother and sister or mother and son? Let's qualify this a bit by saying that both should be of consenting age. Also, let's right away quash the argument that the off-spring of such marriages have a higher rate of birth defects. This is a flawed argument for 2 reasons. Firstly, having children is not a required for a marriage (plenty of married couples chose not to have children), nor is it restricted to marriage (plenty of unmarried couples have kids). Secondl…

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  5. Started by insane_alien,

    So, theres all this crap about obama being and evil socialist and all this from the american media. but, whats never explained is wats so wrong with socialism? i'm not that into politics so i'm not to well versed in all the terms so can someone explain it to me in laymans terms?

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  6. Started by bascule,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/science/earth/23climate.html?_r=1 Opened yesterday, with the US and China being the two biggest figures involved in the talks but not presently part of any international agreement to limit emissions. The two countries together emit 40% of the world's anthropogenic CO2. What do you think? Is this meeting going to be productive, or a waste of everyone's time? I'm glad to see a less recalcitrant US involved in these sorts of discussions, as the previous administration shrugged off and actively stifled research into climate change.

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  7. Started by bascule,

    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/172290/fcc_to_take_a_stand_on_net_neutrality.html The FCC is formalizing rules which effectively force ISPs to be common carriers, forbidding them from filtering and restricting particular types of traffic. While I think ISPs should have the right to apply quality-of-service rules to certain types of traffic, I think net neutrality is necessary because a misapplication of those policies could limit free speech. Imagine if there were deliverability issues with email coming from candidates of a particular party, for example. To me it's largely an issue of free speech, or more generally, the free exchange of in…

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  8. Started by bascule,

    lUPMjC9mq5Y Wow. I think that video speaks for itself. It's hard to know whether the people interviewed are really representative of the crowd as a whole, but, wow. It seems there's a growing clamor over how these protests are being stoked by Fox News. Literally at least in one case: IPYbPsvOnX8 And worse, apparently Fox News took out a full page ad that claimed that CNN (in addition to CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, etc.) didn't cover the protests. CNN's Rick Sanchez responded to that, with: "You lie" qM1f5xrOfGU All that said, is anyone else disgusted that 9/11 is invoked to protest... government spending on healthcare? Never mind Hitler, fascism, etc. And well…

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  9. Started by swansont,

    Politics is not science, it's obviously not empirical and has multiple possibilities for a conclusion. You can discuss factual data, but the conclusion that arises from that factual data is (unlike science!) subjective. Stop pretending this is supposed to be some empirical objective endeavor. Be civil, and stop expecting others to refrain from using logical fallacies when you use logical fallacies, or convince others that they should be open minded to your opinion when you're presenting yourselves to be absolutely positive that your own opinion is right. If you're not open minded, stay out of the thread; we're not arguing facts, we're arguing opinion, and in poli…

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  10. Started by bascule,

    "You lie!": an outburst made by South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson during Obama's speech on healthcare to a joint session of Congress. This has sadly been overshadowed in the mainstream media by Kanye West jumping up on stage during the MTV Awards when Taylor Swift won best female music video. The comment was made regarding a statement from Obama that illegal immigrants would not receive healthcare under the proposed legislation, a statement which, in fact, is not a lie. Democratic leadership have called for a resolution admonishing him for the outburst. Oddly enough, 20% of Americans support Wilson's actions, with 6% of them describing their reaction as "thrille…

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  11. Started by bascule,

    A very interesting article from conservative economist and historian Bruce Bartlett, who served as a treasurer under George W. Bush and a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-12/the-gops-misplaced-rage/ Lots of comparisons are drawn between Bush, Clinton, and Reagan, noting how there are many more parallels between the economic policies of Reagan and Clinton than there are to anything Bush did. The article blames the present economic problems pretty squarely on Bush, and that the rage exhibited towards Democrats and Obama at the town hall meetings should really be directed at Bush. This section wa…

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  12. Started by padren,

    On my way to get coffee today I did something I've never done sober - walked into a church for something other than a wedding or funeral, in this case because there was a blood drive. I filled out all the forms, and on the one question "have you ever had sexual contact with another male, ever in your lifetime, even once" I checked yes as, I had once. I was asked some followup questions "was that a one time occurrence?" Yes... "Is that something you'll repeat?" No. It was the only question that required any conversation as based on every other question I was pretty much the ideal donor. And.... that one answer equates to a life long ban - I am not allowed to ev…

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  13. Started by Pangloss,

    Anyone want to weigh in on this? Article linked below covers the basics pretty well. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/world/europe/18assess.html?hp IMO it's probably the best move, both for the politics and for the technology. It still focuses attention on the most likely threats of Iran and North Korea, while being less provocative towards our Russian allies. And it makes a statement that we're not giving up on proven and reliable technologies, as Obama promised during his campaign. What do you all think?

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  14. Started by bascule,

    And Obama responds brilliantly: Context: http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20080910/888/twl-republicans-term-obama-s-lipstick-on.html The latest party line against Obama: an anecdote has become PLAYING THE GENDER CARD. Pangloss has his definition of partisan. I have mine. Perhaps it can be described as making a mountain out of a molehill. The Republican party runs a desperately underqualified candidate as the Vice President of the United States. Obama relates a common anecdote: putting lipstick on a pig. How does the Republican party respond? As a whole mind you, they're coordinated, through Karl Rove's talking points. WHINE WHINE BITCH BITC…

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  15. Started by Mr Skeptic,

    All opinion should be clearly labeled as opinion. All facts should be clearly referenced. So, who can define marriage, and prove their definition correct? Specifically, enough to answer the question of whether the word "marriage" includes sames sex couples or not. Obviously, this is a central issue to the gay marriage debate (though separate from the question of giving them equal rights but not calling it marriage). So far, we have plenty of people's opinions on the definition of marriage, and pretty much nil in terms of evidence. I'd like some evidence in favor of said opinions. The most relevant evidence would be concerning the historical definitions our laws ar…

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  16. Started by bascule,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/business/15obama.html?bl&ex=1253160000&en=4a6d3f6f9f183e9c&ei=5087%0A One year after Lehman Brothers collapsed under the weight of their toxic "financial instruments", Obama has renewed calls for financial reform and increased regulation, however it seems his calls are largely falling on deaf ears. Considerable opposition to increased regulation is coming from Congress, although I'm still yet to see the specifics as to why. The only argument I've seen put forward is that further regulation of the financial sector would be detrimental to economic growth, which is sorely needed after the financial crisis. Yet I really …

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  17. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22445.html A member of the Republican National Committee told me Tuesday that when the RNC meets in an extraordinary special session next week, it will approve a resolution rebranding Democrats as the “Democrat Socialist Party.” An idea I thought was rather poignant, offered this evening by Colbert, is that the best way to get people to dislike Democrats and the Democratic party would be to instead just brand them as "Republicans." That's a poo-stinky you can't just clear up with Febreeze (it turns out that Republican support is down among EVERY major demographic group, largest among the college educated).

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  18. Interesting op/ed piece in yesterday's Washington Post by noted health policy expert and Brown political science professor James Morone, suggesting that pulling back on some aspects of health care may be a costly political mistake for Democrats. He seems to have a good point there. It feels presumptuous to add my own opinion here, but I do remember what it was like in 1994 and it does feel very similar at the moment. I think that's unfortunate because, as has been pointed out here already, so much of it is driven by misinformation and demagoguery. Why can't we make a choice based on intelligent analysis and good, hard common sense? At any rate, the pol…

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  19. My despair regarding the US populace only deepens. Here's yet another depressing story regarding the sorry state of American thought: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html?iref=mpstoryview The White House found itself on the defensive Friday over what would ordinarily be considered the most uncontroversial of events: a back-to-school speech to the nation's children. <...> "Thinking about my kids in school having to listen to that just really upsets me," suburban Colorado mother Shanneen Barron told CNN Denver affiliate KMGH. "I'm an American. They are Americans, and I don't feel that's OK." "As the father of four…

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  20. There is an active campaign right now to make it look like there is greater opposition to US Healthcare reform than there truly is. More on that below. However, if you look at actual polling data, roughly 70% of Americans want healthcare reform. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1913426,00.html Forty-six percent of respondents said it was "very important" that Congress and the President pass major health reform in the next few months, and an additional 23% said it was "somewhat important." Only 28% found the immediate effort either not very or not at all important. In a separate question, more Americans said it would be better to pass "major re…

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  21. Started by Mr Skeptic,

    Newscientist has a nice set of articles on how we could make the world a better place. Perhaps the most significant is the suggestion that policies should be evidence-based rather than based on "common-sense" or mis-guided popularity. In my opinion, evidence-based policy and increased international cooperation are key to making the world a better place. What suggestions do you have?

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  22. Started by Mr Skeptic,

    The website, http://capitolwords.org/ seems to have a database of all the words spoken by our politicians, allowing you to search who speaks what word the most, and a graph of when. Also for specific candidates, what word they use the most. The word counts don't say whether they are speaking favorably or unfavorable about said word. For example, it seems democrats like to talk about limbaugh (though republicans win with the word/name "rush"). Republicans like to mention Democrats, and Democrats like to mention Republicans. Well, I'll leave you all to it. Who can find the most interesting one?

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  23. Started by Pangloss,

    My opinion: People want change, and they're not seeing it. They wanted it in 2008 and they are still going to want it in 2010. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/washington-whispers/2009/09/02/poll-lowest-congressional-approval-in-two-decades.html Of course the news is no better for Republicans (and arguably even worse), but it's not as if people suddenly decided that they loved Democrats in 2008 -- they voted Republicans out, they didn't vote Democrats in. This poll shows that that sentiment continues. What do you think?

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  24. Started by bascule,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6145785/Scouts-to-no-longer-bring-penknives-on-camping-trips.html Apparently knife crime in the UK is such that a knife vendor who trains scouts on knife safety is recommending scouts not be allowed to take knives camping. Crazy. Sounds like there are quite a few people who support the scouts having knives. It seems pretty nuts to me that scouts not be allowed penknives or swiss army knives.

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  25. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/09/director-michael-moore-now-wants-nothing-less-than-the-complete-overthrow-of-the-modern-capitalist-system--from-reuters-in.html Kind of an obvious contradiction, isn't it? Capitalism is very democratic in nature. I haven't seen it yet, but if these indications pan out as reported I think Moore may lose a lot of his moderate-liberal support on this one. He has a lot of support from left-leaning libertarians who like to watch "Sicko" and then blog to all their friends about the incredibly travesties they've just discovered in the health care system (as anybody with more than a dozen Facebook friends can tell …

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