JohnB Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Moontanman, I didn't say that it was necessary to have a designer. I was pointing out that the existence of a designer does not require or prove a prior designer. A subtle but important difference. I'll explain how I think it is possible, but first the assumptions and definitions of what I mean. I'm assuming that this Universe isn't the first one. I'm also assuming a purpose to this Universe and that the purpose is to have lots of places where life could evolve. By "Designer" I mean an entity that existed at the creation of our Universe that was capable of tweaking the Laws of Physics so that there would be lots of places where life could evolve. After setting up the starting perameters, the entity simply sits back and lets the experiment run its course. (Being technically immortal it has presumably learned patience.) So it could play out this way. In the previous Universe it wasn't as easy for life to evolve, nor was it particularly abundant. However life did evolve beginning with abiogenesis and evolving from there. This life eventually became complex enough to become sentient. Once sentient it worked to avoid its own mortality and eventually became a composite mind separated from its original physical form. (Note that there are some who don't view this ability as being too far ahead in our future.) Witnessing the coming end of its Universe it decides that it will tweak the Laws of the new Universe to make it more hospitable to life. (For whatever reasons as make sense to it, but perhaps it was bored and lonely.) So we have the situation where our current Universe was designed and had a Designer, however that Designer wasn't designed but evolved by chance. Nothing in this idea implies or requires either omnipotence nor omniscience. It is just as possible that the designer evolved 265 Universes ago and this current designed one is just one more in a series of experiments. This could be the first one that is relatively stable and the previous 264 were complete stuff ups. Nor is it required that the Designer be all powerful, although it is "giving form" to the Universes as they begin, it is not providing the energy for that beginning. Even if the above is correct, it does not confirm any particular religion, or form of religious thought, It neither implies not requires any form of devotion or worship on our part. There is nothing spiritual or metaphysical involved. Atheistic Intelligent Design. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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