It's happening far to quickly to be a natural evolutionary trend, most of the motivation to actually reason out a solution is born of poverty and a sense of fairness.

Evidence?

On 4/6/2026 at 3:24 PM, swansont said:

Evidence?

Of what, poverty or our inate sense of fairness?

This is political, evidence is tertiary.

What I'm suggesting is a feedback loop.

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Of what, poverty or our inate sense of fairness?

This is political, evidence is tertiary.

What I'm suggesting is a feedback loop.

Evidence that it’s happening far to quickly to be a natural evolutionary trend, and evidence that most of the motivation to actually reason out a solution is born of poverty and a sense of fairness.

It would also be helpful to define, reasonably precisely, what “politics” entails.

On 4/7/2026 at 6:23 PM, swansont said:

Evidence that it’s happening far to quickly to be a natural evolutionary trend, and evidence that most of the motivation to actually reason out a solution is born of poverty and a sense of fairness.

It would also be helpful to define, reasonably precisely, what “politics” entails.

I liken my hypothesis to the demise of the African 'tusker', very quickly the females no longer find them attractive.

I think our natural evolution got us ready for a village, conceptually the size of a city is like trying to imagine the size of space.

Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to design an experiment that would gather any evidence, from the noise of the politicos...

6 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to design an experiment that would gather any evidence, from the noise of the politicos...

We’re not even there yet; you haven’t even established the parameters of a discussion, which is part of what I asked for — a timeline and a definition do not require an experiment. Evidence at this point could even be anecdotal., pointing to specific examples happening.

16 hours ago, swansont said:

We’re not even there yet; you haven’t even established the parameters of a discussion, which is part of what I asked for — a timeline and a definition do not require an experiment. Evidence at this point could even be anecdotal., pointing to specific examples happening.

TBH I was hoping for a little more footfall to help me clarify and order my thought's.

What I'm suggesting is, the pace of human progress/growth is outstripping that of our ability to evolve naturally into the role, much like the mice plague in Australia.

There's loads of anecdotes out there that suggests the problem's found in cities don't really exist in villages.

5 hours ago, dimreepr said:

TBH I was hoping for a little more footfall to help me clarify and order my thought's.

What I'm suggesting is, the pace of human progress/growth is outstripping that of our ability to evolve naturally into the role, much like the mice plague in Australia.

That doesn’t mean that motivated reasoning is limited to or started with politics, nor that its origins don’t have an evolutionary connection, even if it’s some kind of side-effect of a useful advance.

5 hours ago, dimreepr said:

There's loads of anecdotes out there that suggests the problem's found in cities don't really exist in villages.

I can imagine that there are issues that depend on population size or population density but I don’t see how motivated reasoning is one of them.

17 hours ago, swansont said:

That doesn’t mean that motivated reasoning is limited to or started with politics, nor that its origins don’t have an evolutionary connection, even if it’s some kind of side-effect of a useful advance.

I understand that there's a natural evolutionary process that leads to some sort of wishful thinking, I'm thinking that politics has suprcharged and monetised the trait due to our ever expanding populous and the proximity that results.

Much like how religion's use it to bring peace to people and politics corrupts religion's to bring fear.

So this is about politics leveraging motivated reasoning, which it probably always has.

How does expanding population enable it?