I am very confused regarding a certain situation. RFK Jr. supports that children should be healthy, he also has a very strong anti vaccine stance. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

There are a lot of articles out there highlighting his various strange beliefs. But in short, he adheres to a kind of naturalist belief (he calls it miasma, but it actually has a different name that currently eludes me). In that system, the germ theory is not accurate, but instead the disease are mainly caused by things like toxic exposure and poor diet.

It also assumes that certain things are "natural" and enhance health (such as raw milk) and others are synthetic (like vaccines) and are therefore inherently harmful. All of that while ignoring existing knowledge and data, of course.

The only thing that does make sense is that there indeed an effect of things like diet and toxic exposures are very real. It is just ignoring all other aspects that is really, really problematic. The very short answer to your questions is it doesn't.

A slightly longer one is that public health in the US and in the world is at severe risk.

40 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

I am very confused regarding a certain situation. RFK Jr. supports that children should be healthy, he also has a very strong anti vaccine stance. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

Crackpots often make no sense, but have supreme confidence that they’re right.

27 minutes ago, CharonY said:

A slightly longer one is that public health in the US and in the world is at severe risk.

Exposure in the US to >1ppb of RFK Jr is very hazardous to our health

And keep him away from the grandkids!

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rfk-jr-swimming-grandchildren-contaminated-rock-creek-dc-bacteria-rcna206416

32 minutes ago, TheVat said:

And keep him away from the grandkids!

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rfk-jr-swimming-grandchildren-contaminated-rock-creek-dc-bacteria-rcna206416

The creek became more contaminated once he jumped in

42 minutes ago, swansont said:

The creek became more contaminated once he jumped in

Also, it became significantly dumber.

To add to the WTF?! levels, yesterday he told reporters that people shouldn't take medical advice from him, the Health & Human Services Secretary.

PBS News

WATCH: Health Secretary RFK Jr. says he doesn't think peo...

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Wednesday that he doesn’t “think people should be taking advice — medical advice — from me.”

A lot of sites he has say "we will end medical tyranny" along with the regular shitpost meme cover of a baby being injected while is mom is getting arrested for god knows what.

See here:

Either I have become more of an idiot than I currently have, which is impossible, or he's fundamentally wrong.

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

To add to the WTF?! levels, yesterday he told reporters that people shouldn't take medical advice from him, the Health & Human Services Secretary.

PBS News

WATCH: Health Secretary RFK Jr. says he doesn't think peo...

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Wednesday that he doesn’t “think people should be taking advice — medical advice — from me.”

20 hours ago, CharonY said:

There are a lot of articles out there highlighting his various strange beliefs. But in short, he adheres to a kind of naturalist belief (he calls it miasma, but it actually has a different name that currently eludes me). In that system, the germ theory is not accurate, but instead the disease are mainly caused by things like toxic exposure and poor diet.

From what I know IT CAN be caused by that, but how does it invalidate germ theory? What is his train of thought 😭

9 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

A lot of sites he has say "we will end medical tyranny" along with the regular shitpost meme cover of a baby being injected while is mom is getting arrested for god knows what.

I'd argue that this type of discourse is what is getting us in this mess. Apropos, would you mind cutting down on these memes? IMO they create unnecessary visual noise and clutter while adding nothing. Some of them can be humorous, if used appropriately, but overuse just makes it harder to read threads. I also feel that their overuse (among other things) contribute to the loss of attention spans.

12 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

From what I know IT CAN be caused by that, but how does it invalidate germ theory? What is his train of thought

This is not about invalidation. Prior to Pasteur and the validation of the germ theory there were competing hypothese, regarding the cause of diseases. Prevalent ones were the so-called miasma and the terrain theory.

What RFK describes is a bit of a fusion of both which he calls miasma, but is actually closer to the terrain theory. Therein, folks believed that disease is essentially caused by an imbalance in things like "humours" and bad diet. So basically he has the knowledge and beliefs of a quack from the 19th century.

17 minutes ago, CharonY said:

I'd argue that this type of discourse is what is getting us in this mess. Apropos, would you mind cutting down on these memes? IMO they create unnecessary visual noise and clutter while adding nothing. Some of them can be humorous, if used appropriately, but overuse just makes it harder to read threads. I also feel that their overuse (among other things) contribute to the loss of attention spans.

No problem! Ill stop using the memes

19 minutes ago, CharonY said:

d.

What RFK describes is a bit of a fusion which he calls miasma, but is actually closer to the terrain theory. Therein, folks believed that disease is essentially caused by an imbalance in things like "humours" and bad diet. So basically he has the knowledge and beliefs of a quack from the 19th century.

Isn't he the head of the Secretary of Health and Human Services in the US? Dear god.

2 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Isn't he the head of the Secretary of Health and Human Services in the US? Dear god.

Yes, that is why everyone sane is panicking. It is the department overseeing critical public health agencies such as the CDC, FDA and NIH. The CDC is (or was) networked across the world and is a leader in critical global efforts like the polio eradication strategy.

Losing them, will create massive blind spots which will be almost impossible to fill in the short to perhaps mid-term.

2 hours ago, CharonY said:

Therein, folks believed that disease is essentially caused by an imbalance in things like "humours" and bad diet. So basically he has the knowledge and beliefs of a quack from the 19th century.

So, is he going to bring back leeches?

5 minutes ago, KJW said:

So, is he going to bring back leeches?

Based on those hypotheses, potentially. They are a "natural" treatment, after all. There is already a big push to fund research on harms of vaccines, while cutting research to make them better and safer.

39 minutes ago, KJW said:

So, is he going to bring back leeches?

Leeches are still used in modern medicine. Back in 2004 the U.S Food and Drug Administration approved the use of leeches for the treatment of localised  post-operative venous congestion.

https://www.uhhospitals.org/blog/articles/2020/03/how-leeches-can-save-lives-and-limbs-for-some-patients

They are of  particular value in skin graft and reconstructive plastic surgeries for cancer and trauma that often require microsurgical techniques. In a small number of cases, the affected body part may develop a dangerous complication called venous congestion.

Venous congestion occurs when the tiny, thin-walled veins involved in microsurgical procedures are unable to carry the appropriate amount of blood away from the surgical site. Instead, the blood pools in the veins and is unable to flow back to the heart and lungs to be re-oxygenated. If the congestion is left untreated, carbon dioxide will accumulate in the stagnant blood and ultimately cause tissue death

Leech saliva contains hirudin, an anticoagulant agent that works to prevent  blood clots and reduce the amount of congested blood in the tissues, as well as promoting blood flow and healing. The treatment is  also painless because leech bites release a natural anaesthetic that numbs the bite area.

In Scottish Gaelic  léich or ‘leech is a word for a physician or doctor - reflecting  the 17th century use of that term in English.

1 hour ago, KJW said:

So, is he going to bring back leeches?

If you're familiar with today's GOP, then you will see they're already back.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

1 hour ago, CharonY said:

Yes, that is why everyone sane is panicking. It is the department overseeing critical public health agencies such as the CDC, FDA and NIH.

OUT OF ALL THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHY RFK JR

10 minutes ago, TheVat said:

If you're familiar with today's GOP, then you will see they're already back.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

😐

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51 minutes ago, toucana said:

Leech saliva contains hirudin, an anticoagulant agent

It also serves as a anti-platelet agent

1 hour ago, CharonY said:

Based on those hypotheses, potentially. They are a "natural" treatment, after all.

I'd love to remind them what life expectancy was like when preventable pathogens spread before vaccines were available."

1 minute ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

OUT OF ALL THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHY RFK JR

Really? By now, you should not need to ask. There has been a procession of the most egregiously unqualified people appointed by Trump to every position of importance in government. The reasons have been discussed at length in the media. It is partly that he wants meritless people in these positions who are well aware they owe the position to Trump’s patronage alone. So he can demand personal favours and the departments these apparatchiks control will swing into action: to harass a judge, to investigate the tax status of a university, to question the licence of a broadcaster, to drop a prosecution, or start one, etc. And it is partly delight at trolling the establishment, to rub their noses in the fact that he is in sole charge and there is nothing they can do about it - a display of dominance.

Stalin was just the same.

Edited May 15May 15 by exchemist

Why is it that nearly every time on an anti vaxx site or something related to "why vaccines are not effective" there is always some low quality shitpost meme of a "virus relocation camp?"

At least make the shitpost decent quality WTH is a "virus relocation camp?!"

1 minute ago, exchemist said:

Really? By now, you should not need to ask. There has been a procession of the most egregiously unqualified people appointed by Trump to every position of importance in government. The reasons have been discussed at length in the media. It is partly that he wants meritless people in these positions who are well aware they owe the position to Trump’s patronage alone. So he can demand personal favours and the departments these apparatchiks control will swing into action4: to harrass a judge, to investigate the tax status of a university, to question the licence of a broadcaster, etc. And it is partly delight at trolling the establishment, to rub their noses in the fact that he is in sole charge and there is nothing they can do about it - a display of dominance.

Stalin was just the same.

I'm not going to get political but I think we need A SIGNFICANTLY MORE QUALIFIED PERSON for something as important as Public Health and Sanitation

1 hour ago, KJW said:

So, is he going to bring back leeches?

1 hour ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

It also serves as a anti-platelet agent

I don't think so. If memory serves, hirudin is a thrombin inhibitor and thereby acts as an anticoagulant (but not as an anti-platelet).

1 hour ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

I'm not going to get political but I think we need A SIGNFICANTLY MORE QUALIFIED PERSON for something as important as Public Health and Sanitation

D'oh. We need qualified persons everywhere. But as the Trump administration wants to destroy public goods, it makes sense to seek out the most unqualified and mission hostile person for the job. That way they can claim that the departments don't work and dismantle them and/or use them as exchemist described. That has been the modus operandi for since he got into power. It is more surprising at this point if anyone is surprised by it (other than those waking from a 20-year coma or so. They would be justifiably surprised)..

10 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

No problem! Ill stop using the memes

Wow. You lasted almost 4-1/2 whole hours

5 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

12 hours ago, iNow said:

Wow. You lasted almost 4-1/2 whole hours

LMAO.

17 hours ago, CharonY said:

That has been the modus operandi for since he got into power. It is more surprising at this point if anyone is surprised by it (other than those waking from a 20-year coma...

Such an awakener would likely beg to be returned to their coma. AFAICT, 47 sees government as primarily military and police who serve to defend the property and business operations of the wealthy.

13 hours ago, iNow said:

Wow. You lasted almost 4-1/2 whole hours

17 hours ago, CharonY said:

I don't think so. If memory serves, hirudin is a thrombin inhibitor and thereby acts as an anticoagulant (but not as an anti-platelet).

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2713024/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pharmacology/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.660757/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120857875

17 hours ago, CharonY said:

D'oh. We need qualified persons everywhere. But as the Trump administration wants to destroy public goods, it makes sense to seek out the most unqualified and mission hostile person for the job. That way they can claim that the departments don't work and dismantle them and/or use them as exchemist described. That has been the modus operandi for since he got into power. It is more surprising at this point if anyone is surprised by it (other than those waking from a 20-year coma or so. They would be justifiably surprised)..

I want to have good digital footprint and not be targeted for any reason startinggggg NOW

29 minutes ago, TheVat said:

LMAO.

Hehe Haha Hoho

Theoretically if they don't want to receive facts of any kind or reject any true information, I could just shitpost them until they stop posting any form of misinformation on the media. I shall do that.

3 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2713024/

Have you read the paper? I am guessing not, as if you had you will realize it is about a derivative that adds anti-platelet functions to hirudin (essentially a hybrid moleculer. I am fairly even without reading that the others will also be synthetics. But feel free to read the paper and correct me (rather than just posting unread or misunderstood links).

4 hours ago, TheVat said:

Such an awakener would likely beg to be returned to their coma. AFAICT, 47 sees government as primarily military and police who serve to defend the property and business operations of the wealthy.

I am not sure if the person wouldn't just think that they slipped from coma directly into fever dreams of a dying mind.

Have you seen the guy to whom RFK Jr plans to put in charge of "researching" autism. David Geier
He worked with his dad, Mark Geier poisoning autistic kids for money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

I wonder why he wants a list of everyone with autism.

5 hours ago, CharonY said:

Have you read the paper? I am guessing not, as if you had you will realize it is about a derivative that adds anti-platelet functions to hirudin (essentially a hybrid moleculer. I am fairly even without reading that the others will also be synthetics. But feel free to read the paper and correct me (rather than just posting unread or misunderstood links).

Have you read all of the provided papers? I am guessing not. Also your original point is wrong, it does serve as an anti platelet agent. "Trust me bros" don't work