Prof Reza Sanaye Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, MigL said: Frankly, I haven't a clue what you're referring to, half the time. I gave an example of a classical wave which demonstrates uncertainty. And you started talking about 'collapse'. What 'collapse' are you talking about here ? Or is it simply nonsense, as usual ? It is not nonsense , Sir . . .... I put a "sense" Q to you ... .. . Wave functions are supposed to collapse . .. Can't understand why a very well-read man like you feels necessary to get so furious at this idea . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said: Did I use the term "Classical Wave Collapse" ?? You used collapse in reference to a classical wave: (it was clearly identifies as a classical example By MigL) 1 hour ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said: how and where can it collapse according to physics' common sense ? 8 minutes ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said: It is not nonsense , Sir . . .... I put a "sense" Q to you ... .. . Wave functions are supposed to collapse . .. Can't understand why a very well-read man like you feels necessary to get so furious at this idea . . . . It’s a classical example. Not a wave function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area54 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said: It is not nonsense , Sir . . .... I put a "sense" Q to you ... .. . Wave functions are supposed to collapse . .. Can't understand why a very well-read man like you feels necessary to get so furious at this idea . . . . I think @MigLis getting frustrated, or at least puzzled (not furious) at the ambiguity and vagueness of your posts. You may have a clear idea in your own mind of what you wish to say, but it is not getting successfully transfered to your posts. Perhaps take a little more time to review and edit before you hit "Post". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Reza Sanaye Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Ok. I shall act according to older members' will to discontinue .. .. .. .... . . . .. . .. .They might as well know better than me as to what has and what has not to be written on these open forums . . ... BTW : I am NOT talking tongue in cheek ;;;;'''''''''';;;;;;;;'''''''' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I'd just like to point out the Heisenberg's Quantum mechanics is a matrix - energy formulation, not a wavelike differential equation. This thread is about Heisenberg QM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_mechanics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 It was also, IIRC, derived from experimental data, not first principles. I could, however, be wrong; it has been a while since I read that. And it was P Dirac, I believe, who showed that E Shrodinger's wavelike differential approach, and W Heisenberg's matrix mechanics were equivalent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, MigL said: It was also, IIRC, derived from experimental data, not first principles. I could, however, be wrong; it has been a while since I read that. And it was P Dirac, I believe, who showed that E Shrodinger's wavelike differential approach, and W Heisenberg's matrix mechanics were equivalent. You're absolutely right, @MigL. It was @studiot's fellow Englishman, P.A.M.D. Those are equivalent, and the HUP can be proven by Dirac's formalism too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_theory_(quantum_mechanics) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 They may be fellow countrymen, but I don't think Studiot is as 'quirky' as P A M Dirac is reputed to have been. What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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