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  1. On 7/18/2021 at 6:52 PM, TheVat said:

    To Moontan,  I can only point out I was not saying there is no evidence of something, only that it is not evidence of ETs.  I have little cause to doubt there are radar anomalies,  and that they are quite fascinating.  And the word for eliciting interest is "pique" and not "peak. "  (yes,  I've got a bit of a pedant in my otherwise spotless character...I can usually squelch the little bugger, but he just runs amuck over spelling... ) 

    Since you were kind enough to point out my grammar I will again point out shreds of real evidence which I also pointed out were not necessarily aliens. How ever it becomes ever more difficult to handwave away the reports that cannot be explained even though prodiditious amounts of evidence exist. 

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    I think radar returns connected with glowing objects flying over restricted areas reported by both civilian and military personnel in Washington DC, interacting with both civilian and military aircraft constitute solid evidence.

    Turning off ten ICBMs at Malmstrom Air Force Base and at other bases as well is suspicious at the very least.

    I think the government admitting to these radar returns and radar jamming not to mention admitting these objects could constitute a flight hazard to our aircraft and a danger to our nation constitutes a few threads of evidence. 

    None of this makes them aliens but it should peak the interest of any normal people. 

    Hitchens razor can be quite dangerous if not used properly.

     

  2. 1 hour ago, TheVat said:

     

    Hitchen's razor is also a friend,  when over 70 years of combing over reports yields not one shred of solid evidence for the ET origin hypothesis.   

     

    I think radar returns connected with glowing objects flying over restricted areas reported by both civilian and military personnel in Washington DC, interacting with both civilian and military aircraft constitute solid evidence.

    Turning off ten ICBMs at Malmstrom Air Force Base and at other bases as well is suspicious at the very least.

    I think the government admitting to these radar returns and radar jamming not to mention admitting these objects could constitute a flight hazard to our aircraft and a danger to our nation constitutes a few threads of evidence. 

    None of this makes them aliens but it should peak the interest of any normal people. 

    Hitchens razor can be quite dangerous if not used properly.  

  3. On 6/29/2021 at 11:15 AM, Moontanman said:

    Best UFO report ever! Once you listen to this guys story you'll never doubt him! It's a bit long but completely worth it to find out what UFO really is! 

     

    I can't believe I got no takers on the trucker and the UFO! 

  4. One of my favorite aquarium fish! I've known for a long time they we special from their behaviors but this video suggests they actually talk. The details are too complex for me to do it justice but the video explains it very well and provides links to the papers the video author uses to make his video. The fish had the biggest brain to body ratio in the vertebrate kingdom and uses electrical impulses to communicate in a way that suggests language. The fishes cerebellum is extra large as well. These fish live in murky water and they school so they communicate to keep the school together but other impulses mimic actual conversations. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormyridae

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)00603-5

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)31405-2

    Sorry about the video but it is a complex subject.  

     

  5. While I've only heard preliminary reports on the UAP phenomenon released by the military the most surprising thing so far was the admission the objects represented a danger to national security. The admission the UAPs were associated with unusual RF emission was interesting. The military wanting UAPs to be reported and saying no disciplinary actions or other negative impacts on people reporting these sightings was a step forward as well. 

      

  6. 20 hours ago, Hans de Vries said:

    A ship in the 40,000+ t range with 12-16 CIWS would be VERY hard to sink by any aircraft carrier. You'd need a combined force of aircraft from 4+ carriers to sink it. Or 5-10 cruiders and it would still be extremely hard.

     

    If the ship operates together with other ships, then it's almost impossible to sink except by a massive force.

    Wouldn't that apply to a battleship was well? 

  7. 8 hours ago, Alex_Krycek said:

    Perhaps they don't think we're ready, or they're still trying to figure out an interface through which they can communicate with us.

    • How do you communicate effectively with a species that reacts to you with violence and fear? (fight or flight)
    • How do you communicate with an intelligent species that has never encountered extraterrestrials before?

    One possible answer is the ETs are simply making themselves known.  

    Dr. Jacques Valleé, a leading researcher of the ufo phenomenon, has suggested that the current revelation of ufos with greater and greater frequency could be an intentional form of mass collective conditioning.  In short: we are in a preparation stage.

    The ETs come into our atmosphere, elude our fighter pilots with aplomb, and disappear.  Message:  We're more technologically advanced than you but are not choosing to hurt you.  You don't have to be afraid, and should not attempt to attack is.  Such attempts are futile.  

    They continue to show up, seemingly at random, and allow themselves to be periodically witnessed. 

    Slowly but surely the idea of their presence is less and less frightening or taboo in human consciousness.  The problems of societal panic and collapse are circumvented.  No sudden moves.

    As a side note, Arthur C. Clarke explored this idea in his classic novel:  Childhood's End.

    @Moontanman

    You will recall from the film "The Phenomenon" that the schoolchildren who claimed to have interacted with physical alien beings in Zimbabwe in 1994 said they received telepathic messages.  This would indicate that the ETs do not communicate verbally as we do.  Obviously this poses a major problem for establishing an interface of direct communication, especially since human beings like to "shoot first, and ask questions later".

    The whole telepathic thing bothers me, it seems so unlikely that telepathy is real in humans and to be able to communicate with aliens would be highly improbable, far more improbable than aliens looking just like us. 

    Childhoods end was a great book! 

  8. 11 hours ago, Doctor Derp said:

    Battleships are no longer cost effective.

    They cost more than $5 billion.

    And can be sunk by new inventions like hypersonic missiles or super cavitating torpedoes for which there is no known defense which cost far less.

    The same applies to aircraft carriers but they still make them. 

  9. 3 hours ago, Conscious Energy said:

    Thank you Moon but this article is about how the communication of the ants is pheromone concentration dependent which is a common known knowledge.
     

    There is no information in this article, which would address the communication between humans and ants based on pheromons

    What are you expecting? discussion of quantum physics? Pheromones' were used to influence the ants behaviors. I can't find the specific article so I'll withdraw the claim, I apologise. 

     

  10. The fermi paradox can be explained many ways but few of them are really a solution. IMHO time that a civilization is detectable is short, our own planet is slowly becoming very quiet due to our communications becoming digital and less energy is wasted on newer networks. Distance is another problem, it is said that Arecibo could detect another telescope like it's self all the way across the universe or some vast distance but that is misleading. Due to em inference, interstellar dust, and other problems it's doubtful Earth's radio leakage could be detected at the nearest star, military radars might be an exception but the wow signal, one short but powerful series of pulses imitate what receiving a military radar might look like but that is just speculation. The truth is unless someone is sending a powerful beam pretty much directly at us it wouldn't be seen by us nor would we be seen by them.   

  11. 14 hours ago, Conscious Energy said:

    Can you elaborate maybe in another thread, not to develop a thread hijack?

    I am sure that there are planty of scientiest finds an interest in ant-human communication and it is a very well studied and explored teritory of science. I do not find any material on the topic on google though so could you link the study describe this human-ant communication set-ups, its results and long term implications? Maybe in another thread not to make a thread hijack. 

    I agree. 

    Still time and distance do not prohibit contact between Intelligent species. 

    I googled it and found several relevant studies but not the one I was referring to, too many to sift through but this one is similar. https://www.jstor.org/stable/43599398

  12. 9 hours ago, Conscious Energy said:

    Than where is EveryOne?

    Well I interact every day with people who has cognitive disabilities. I even develop a software (not just) for them, to help better preception of medically relevant data. I still do not go and speak about medicine with chickens, as I know they wont understand anything I would try to say.

    Every intelligent entity will be able to estimate how much the counter part can perceive. An andvanced intelligence has no point to push their understandig to a species which can not comprehend the information they try to communicate. 

     

    We, humans, try to talk to ants, yes we actually make giant ant colonies and try to communicate with them via pheromones. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean someone wouldn't be interested. 

    9 hours ago, Conscious Energy said:

    Than where is EveryOne?

     

    Fermi's paradox has many different potential answers, far too many to be adequately discussed here.  

  13. 1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

    Signal to noise ratio..

     

     

    Where do you look???

    There are possibilities, slow boat ark type ships are possible, even probable. I'd look in the oort cloud or the kuiper belt, given controlled fusion, colonising planets become unnecessary. see O'Neil cylinders   

    1 minute ago, swansont said:

    Claimed without evidence, yet again.

    You've never been able to support this without an appeal to technology that does not exist, and properties of the universe that are not confirmed.

    I only assume controlled fusion. Everyone knows controlled fusion is just 20 years away. 

     

    3 minutes ago, swansont said:

    Claimed without evidence, yet again.

    You've never been able to support this without an appeal to technology that does not exist, and properties of the universe that are not confirmed.

    What unconfirmed properties of the universe are we talking about? 

    Another take on space habitats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKendree_cylinder

  14. 20 hours ago, Bufofrog said:

    I'll jump in here uninvited to say we won't meet in 'person'.  Maybe we would be able to find and communicate with an alien race within 100 ly or so from us.  It would be pretty cool getting answers to questions with an alien perspective, even if it takes 200 years for the answer!  Unfortunately meeting face to face seems unattainable since based on what we know interstellar space travel is just not feasible.

    Why do you say interstellar travel is not feasible? Slow interstellar arks could work, no need for "Clark Tech"

  15. 19 hours ago, zapatos said:

    I'll vote for another planetary system, although I am guessing the "little grey guys" are inflatable autopilots, as in "Airplane!" circa 1980. Robotic exploratory craft could have been sent to promising planetary systems a long time ago in the hunt for alien (us) life. 

    Aliens probably were no more successful with their version of SETI than we are, and decided to take an active rather than passive approach to finding life.

    Actually way back in the day, some abductees claimed that the little grey guys were biological robots, or so the abductees were told. 

  16. Just as a thought experiment lets say that on June 25th the Pentagon confirms that UAPs or UFOs are indeed crafts of some sort from another place driven by the little grey guys so often described as being their pilots. I am going to add a poll for the four possibilities that cover what is being reported by people who see and or interact with the crafts. 

  17. 10 minutes ago, Goude said:

    I don't believe there is anything supernatural in life.  Just things we don't understand or don't have a reason for happening. There are alternate explanations to any event. All I can tell you is that NDEs happen when dead people still see and hear what is going on around their dead bodies. When they return to life this information is verified by people that were alive around their dead bodies. If it were any less there would not be hundreds of websites, thousands of experiences, and millions of experiencers on the Internet. It would just not be news. Over the years I have learned much about belief systems and people. I know people believe what they want to believe even if it makes them unhappy and depressed.

    You say dead people then say NDEs, do you understand the two are not the same thing? A NDE does not mean someone died and came back. The key is "Near" no one who is dead has ever come back to tell the tale. 

    10 minutes ago, Goude said:

    There is a website that claims to be scientific run by people that have not experienced NDEs.  It is called "IANDS." The "International Association of Near Death Studies." They might be more helpful, I personally rather read the writings of those who have experienced. I have researched and studied NDEs for over 30 years, reading hundreds of books. I was somewhat skeptical when it happen to me, but since then I have enjoyed many more spiritual events. I am not skeptical now. I give you this information in good faith to do with as you wish.

    You say you have studied NDEs for 30 years yet you keep mistaking NDEs for actual deaths. 

  18. 4 minutes ago, Goude said:

    I don't think you understood. The patient saw the Doctor using a special tool while she was clinically dead. The Doctor verified what she saw and that she was clinically dead at the time. Its all in the video.

    In one experience the patient died and the nurse in her hurry to get equipment knocked over a stool. When the patient was revived he said he saw her kick the stool over to her surprise.

     

    Yet again... citation please. 

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