Moontanman

Interesting, I wonder how much hand guns account for the injuries or deaths compared to long guns or shot guns. In gun deaths overall handguns are paramount in cause of deaths. https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/commonly-used-weapons-for-homicides/

Good question, I do know of at least one that resulted in the homeowner capturing the invader but most of the time the invader simply chooses a homeowner he suspects is unarmed. From what I understand some reconnoitering happens in most cases.

Home invasions do happen where I live. https://www.wwaytv3.com/news-tags/home-invasion/

I apologize for that, not what I meant to do, in fact I am glad to see you in this thread. Few of us... well I can only really speak for me, and I have no training whatsoever, it's why hunting shotguns are all I own and one of those was bought by me when i was 12, I hitchhiked about 20 miles to get to a feed store ad bought it money I had earned by working for the local famers for the summer. That gun means a lot to me, I understand completely how a gun can be a part of who we are. But at some point we all have to stop making excuses for guns and I am not talking about you. Your expertise and desire to have a safe hobby is up lifting to me. I can honestly say you are the only person i know of who has the foresight to take yours and the safety of others seriously. Around here about all I get when trying to talk safety is how big a hole they can make in a person they decide to kill. All of us need people who can engage this issue without getting "testy" again I am sorry about that, please let that slide and stick with us here.

Let's not mince words, both of us know that the military grade weapons we are discussing is not semi auto handguns, how ever I am willing to include them in the set of guns that no one really needs to own. Handguns are very dangerous and prone to killing bystanders or people in their houses nearby, the danger is exacerbated by the general public thinking that handguns are the safest option and that anyone can handle a handgun. I'm betting you already know this being familiar with hand guns. I am sympathetic to hobbyists like you but the general excuse for owning a gun is home protection. A rifle, hand gun, or AR15 is not required for home defense. A small shotgun, like a 410 with number 5 shot will do the job and make it much less likely you'll kill the neighbors if you miss. The idea that anyone should be able to buy any gun and carry them around is nuts, nothing but postering. Owning a gun is a serious thing at least as serious as owning and operating a car. If nothing else owning a gun should require the same type of training, licensing, and insurance as owning and or driving a car. Hunting is a different issue but can be controlled in a similar way. I personally know people who own various semi auto weapons and shouldn't have access to a slingshot. I also own guns, shot guns, but still guns, and no I don't think no one should own a gun but the ownership of guns has got to be controlled... our children are being killed by this crazy idea of gun ownership being a right.

Are you for or against providing citizens with military grade weapons?

This whole gun thing is crazy, When I go to get gas the local gasoline seller, the gas "service station" died a long time ago, they have around 12 pumps and it's not unusual for there to be 6 or more cars fueling up. I filled up last week and out of 7 people fueling their vehicles 3 had pistols openly on their hips. One had a god damned 50 cal. Desert Eagle! I guess he wanted to make sure he could defend himself from any stray Bradley Fighting Vehicles that might attack while he was pumping gas. I live in a well known liberal university town! This shit is out of control! I think the path forward is clear, far from the general population needing the same guns as the military guns need to be confined... at the very least! Confined to your home and restricted to pump shotguns with #5 shot shells, 410 gauge at most! Personally I think we should be able to open carry knives not guns, but show up in public with a bowie knife on your belt and spend a few days in jail and be fined big bucks but carry a gun and you get special treatment. Yes I think crazy pretty much says it all about gun culture in the US.

Yes, very large meteors manage to land via stripping off speed via burning off much of their material due to "friction" most objects simply burn up before they hit the ground. Spacecraft get by with using the atmosphere to slow down by not plunging uncontrolled into the atmosphere and by taking a path that allows the frictional heat to be bleed off slowly via a shallow angle not by an immediate steep plunge into the atmosphere. Cooling systems? A cooling system that can handle 100s of gs? Yes the heat shielding will have to be quite special I am sure. Yes, I am sure it could be done, but at what cost? Yes very good cooling systems, if there any chance you could elaborate on these special/good systems you keep mentioning? You do realize the gun's breach would still be at ground level and the barrel would still be full of air that the projectile would have to move out of the way, think friction, you would get no benefit from raising the muzzle above the thickest part of the air since this would not change the problem of the package having to fight through the air in the barrel. in fact the rail guns I have seen illustrations of didn't even have barrels, do they have barrels/muzzles? Magic would do the trick as well I am sure. How high would the gun have to be to take advantage of this lower escape velocity? How much difference in escape velocity would you get by launching from an altitude of five miles? So you would just have to lug a rail gun to high altitude and all the fuel it takes to lug the rail gun up to high altitude?

Very cool, I've learned something new.

Hmmm, I wonder just how much acceleration a human can tolerate while being supported by water.

Not true, conventional spacecraft start out slow and by the time they reach orbital speed they are in very thin air to no air and little to no friction. Starting out at faster than orbital speed at ground level means you get lit up by friction immediately. Much like a meteor hitting the atmosphere at 25,000 mph, the gs aren't the worst of it. Being heated to beyond the melting point of nearly every material almost instantly would be a big hurdle to get past. Reality what a concept. I was simply stating that this would work much better from an airless body like the moon than the deep gravity well and atmosphere of the Earth. Very true but just how many gs and how fast would a rail gun package have to accelerate to before leaving the gun, the muzzle velocity of this gun would have to be outrageous! Would that acceleration interfere with the electronic and mechanical parts of the package? The rail gun thing is very cool but can you really accelerate a reasonable sized package to orbit, remember you would have to start out quite a bit faster than orbital velocity to get to orbit from the Earth's surface due to friction.

Pemmican? I've seen proposals for doing this and the g forces and the friction would be "difficult" to engineer a solution to these problems from the surface of the Earth. Maybe not impossible but once you compare it to a meteor entering the Earth's atmosphere it makes the problem look insurmountable... of course you could use it to turn mixed vegetables into chunky salsa. I may have overstated this a bit, in my mind i was thinking of the spin launch vehicle, https://www.spinlaunch.com/ not an electromagnetic launch but the g forces would be very similar and the friction equally enormous.

IMHO the main problem of using rail guns to send objects to space would be the enormous friction with the earth's atmosphere. Any object so accelerated would become white hot and evaporate much like a meteor does when it enters the Earth's atmosphere. Then you would have to include engines to allow the object or package to maneuver to the space station. This would be much easier to do if you were launching package from an airless body like the moon.

Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azW33jxaHPs

Is it? How can you tell?

I got a flash of the little critter in the ZZ Top video TV Dinners reaching up and closing the box when they open it!

Thanks, wiring is a trip, I've done a little bit of it when doing my own home improvements too. I found an interview of one of the scientists, Stockholm U. astronomer Villarroel, who wrote the paper you referred to in a recent post about 1952 Palomar photographic plates. If you want to see it let me know.

Ok, this is a sighting from 1957, this observation occurred during a training flight of an electronic warfare aircraft over the USA. This report is from a speech from Dr James E. McDonald Professor of Atmospheric Sciences University of Arizona Tucson. I would provide some quotes but for some reason it wont let me copy/paste this article. The aircraft was followed by the UFO over a couple hundred miles or so and the full extent of the electronic warfare equipment was brought to bear on the UFO as it followed the US Air Force YB47 jet. There were nine men on board the aircraft. http://kirkmcd.princeton.edu/JEMcDonald/mcdonald_fsr_16_3_2_70.pdf This is about as well documented as they come and yes I understand this falls short of the rigor required by science and is illustrative of why IMHO we will never be able to get scientifically rigorous data from this subject unless it is real and they let us have that info. There is a reasonably accurate video that describes this case if you prefer watching a video to reading a pdf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdhQaqmFaY This who Dr. James E. McDonald was.

Just a guess but cut them down in the fall seems to be logical. A few years ago, during a hurricane, a tree was blown down in my yard. I cut it down below the soil level but in a few weeks the entire yard erupted in several dozen young trees of that species (an elm of some sort), very fast growing, they were up tp a meter tall in just a month or so. I had to cut them down several times before they stopped popping up.

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It is kind of odd!