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Disgust over things which spread illness and disease (like spitting, coughing, nose picking, and scrotal scratching) makes good sense in social groups where for centuries even a small cut or stubbed toe could (and rather often did) lead to infection and death. Disgust over OTHER PEOPLE happening to prefer intimacy with more similarly gendered partners does NOT help prevent the spread of illness and disease. You are a free man with a free mind and are equally free to feel disgust over any ridiculous damned thing you want, but let’s please drop the charade and stop pretending it serves some higher evolutionary purpose when it’s felt toward non-heterosexuals just for being who they are and loving who they love.

I reckon then it’s good that I never suggested otherwise. Yeah, I didn’t figure you’d take this seriously. Greatly appreciate the early confirmation that you can justifiably be ignored on this.

Evidence confirms (and has for a very long time) that your personal theory is false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa#Psychology_and_neurobiology We use heuristics to save time and energy. That makes it look like old dogs cannot learn new tricks, but again the evidence suggests otherwise (except perhaps for language acquisition). Mostly those theories suggest that the concepts of conscious and unconscious minds are badly outdated nonsense.

Those odds suck. Horrible.

I sure hope so! When did you choose to find women attractive? Did you research it first? We’re not talking about food, or even about sexual preference. We’re talking about the ostracizing of others based on what THEY prefer, and suggesting that’s evolved somehow is downright laughable. And even if I’m wrong, I’m not the one making the affirmative claim. The onus to support it is on those saying this distaste did evolve. More likely the suggestion this is nature not nurture is just an attempt to rationalize a feeling that causes one to feel dissonance and makes it hard to continue thinking of oneself as a good person. If evolution did it to me, after all, then I don’t have to feel bad for giving a shit who others dip their sticks into nor make any efforts whatsoever to change it.

Because the society in which that tolerance must be practiced is often filled with shitty people and like lifting a heavy weight, it takes practice to battle back constantly... day in and day out... just to be accepted for who one is and how they were born. More likely is the animals that are smarter than us simply don't care. Whales, for example. x-posted with Phi

Mostly because homophones are just anxious, weak, immature children in grownup bodies. The lack of courage is directly correlated with the inability to accept others who are deemed to be different from ourselves.

Your point is fair. I'm also reminded of the over 5,000 Bangladeshi workers that recently died building the World Cup facilities in Qatar. Even so, the deeper cause here is greed, a desire for unlimited resources, and a lack of compassion, humanity, or empathy for our non-local brethren living across other borders, not "globalization." It's poor policies and lowest common denominator free market practices for infrastructure and power and other things, like you say. But digging one layer lower and we must remind ourselves... Shitty people with power and shitty families with enormous wealth ought not get a free pass from all of us as we distract ourselves with the Scooby-Doo villain of "globalization!!"

It seems they're sending in prisoners and other similar societal "undesirables" as the first wave from Russia to be followed by their more experienced soldiers and troops. They're using them as fodder to help clear the path for those following... whether on trains or otherwise.

And I'm wondering why you're mixing reference frames like this. How is "an innate attraction toward a specific sex" supposed to be in your words "the very same thing" as disliking others for who they happen to feel attracted to? That doesn't follow... If my preference and general like of a specific ice cream flavor like vanilla is innate, that is in no way related to other feelings of dislike I may have for other humans due merely to them preferring chocolate. In fairness, it was Charon not MigL who introduced this in context of which sexes we happen to feel more attracted to along the purely heterosexual/purely homosexual spectrum... MigL was just taking that as given, but asking why the dislike of others for their sexuality should be any different.

Wait, I thought the thread was about evolving a hatred of people who love or desire differently than we do. When did the goalposts move to homosexuality itself being nature vs nurture?

What got selected was ability to be a member of a cohesive social group and tribally identify us versus them. What did not get selected was a phobia of people who love or feel attraction differently than we do. The core issue is many cultures decided (often for religious reasons) that LGBTQ etc. aren’t welcome as part of their ingroup. They’ve been shunned and classified as an outgroup. And evolution selected for humans who in groups experienced higher cohesion and communal shared burdens by exhibiting ingroup/outgroup behaviors, including those which have nothing whatsoever to do with reproduction, desire, or self-identity.

I suspect the answer here aligns quite well with the idea of Maslows hierarchy of needs. If me and my kids are starving, the only future we care about or have the mental capacity to consider is our next meal, as well as where and how we will find it. If we’re dying of thirst, then the entirety of our future thoughts become contained within a glass of water. Thinking beyond today is, put simply, a luxury. Thinking beyond the winter about the pure potential of and plans for a coming spring is a luxury. Thinking beyond the current year or about the possibilities life might introduce to us a decade from now is a luxury. Thinking beyond my current life is an escape, a distraction that takes conscious effort and transports us into a fictional land safe from the very nonfiction problems of today. Thinking beyond my great grandkids and their lives? That’s also an escape, and it‘s the type of escape which requires a manner of forecasting that itself requires practice and training and reflection. Generally, we think about the things which will bring us calm and comfort. We chew on cognitive puzzles in our minds and sort their pieces into stable buckets and compartments. Put simply, we think the themes which squeeze our dopamine machines. If you find yourself having the time and energy to think about a future world left to your great great grandkids, though? Well, then I hope you’re also finding time to feel grateful for experiencing such a convenient life of luxury without scarcity in the today. With all that said, IMO the very best of people are those that plant trees whose shade they’ll never sit in, so let’s do more of that.

Globalization isn’t the root cause of collapsing ecosystems. Hydrocarbons as a power source lobbied for by the mega wealthy and well connected are. Doing business with each other in other countries and looking for lower supply costs is also not the root cause of rapidly accelerating global drought, growing loss of arable lands for farming, and the involuntary migration in search of survival which inevitably follows. Arguments like these only make sense IMO when one looks passed the myriad nonsequiturs and logical leaps of faith. It’s like believing in the tooth fairy, and some people have thankfully matured beyond that.

And yet despite you now here again putting your fingers in your ears and saying “la-la-la-la-la-la I can’t hear you,”it almost certainly was.

Yes. You already said the same thing a week ago and it's already been addressed: Thanks btw for all the neg reps.

Like earth itself used to be. Well done. +1

It’s the name of the dance we do when my favorite band, The Quantum Mechanics, are playing down at the Fizzy Physics entertainment hall. The place is so disordered, though, it really saps our energy as we heat over time.

I’m not impressed by the self-evidently false subtly camouflaged racism on display here

Boredom?

I don’t care what you believe Neither does nature

Thrusters place it there. It was a target specifically shot at by engineers. "At Lagrange points, the gravitational pull of two large masses precisely equals the centripetal force required for a small object to move with them. These points in space can be used by spacecraft to reduce fuel consumption needed to remain in position." https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/754/what-is-a-lagrange-point/

Better than even you did, of course. 🙄