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Thanks. I think Peterkin is approaching the subject with the correct approach for which the Religion forum was intended. Some people seem to have religious PTSD from their own experiences, and seem unable to separate a purely historical investigation from the mess of their own internal conflicts with it.

Why are you talking about the scientific evidence for the veracity of peoples beliefs in the past? What Peterkin is driving at is the evidence for what people believed in the past.... like a historian. You are barking up the wrong tree here. You need to step outside of your own bias and judgementalism in order to understand how religious ideas emerged in the past. You are judging the past through an emotive modern lens... you need to put yourself in the shoes of the people of the day. Your language is inappropriate for a rational, dispassionate discussion in the historical foundations of religion.

The first one is very on point about a lot of the objections: freedom and personal liberty over public health.

Substitute time for number of injections administered in assessing track record. The former means bugger all. You could give 1m injections over a month or ten years, the statistical result should be the same. In this pandemic, people are just not appreciating how dense the data is for the efficacy and risks of the vaccines. They don't need many actual years to know. @iNow LOL!

Yes, it's a schematic model description of something.

True, didn't consider that.

If we get tied up with Russia, I won't be surprised to see China pull some sort of stunt to gain more territory or other advantage.

A scientific model, to me, is an abstract construction, usually mathematical, that describes relationships between phenomena and objects. Models don't attempt to describe the total phenomenology, but some specific aspect of them.

I would imagine the others are refreshed/renewed regularly to target new mutations as well as they arise.

The ethical argument demands frontline healthworkers be appropriately vaccinated for their work, otherwise they are knowingly putting their charges at risk. It's the antithesis of good medical practice.

Is it possible that if there was more a fly's eye view of people actually suffering (with necessary consents, of course), the effect on vaccine-sceptics would penetrate better? Is the news, as presented, perhaps too sterilized/censored for viewers not affected to really get a sense of the reality of the pandemic's effects at the individual level; instilling more empathy towards those affected. The precedence for this possible approach is the graphic clinical images on smoking products packages in Europe.

It would have been a circus if he'd played.

Yes, it does mention opportunism, of which that could be an opportunity. That might suggest they are not particularly virulent or pathogenic when immune defences are good.

My take on that article is that knowledge of Archaea has still much to be learned, and your conclusion is somewhat premature.

The awareness of Archaea as a distinct group appears to be quite young.... 45 years. From the link:

Begone, heathen! It's not Tolkein's fault, it's the readers. I found the books mentally and emotionally expansive as a youngster. His experience and execution with the English language, and the idea of language is probably peerless.

Here's a compact discussion: https://microbiologysociety.org/blog/why-dont-archaea-cause-disease.html

The stone represents all the elements that make life, but we are not sure as to the process, as with mass to gravity/curved spacetime.

Scientific consensus sets the 'lines' for mutual communicability between scientists, as a means to differentiate areas under focus (language), but there are no lines in nature.... it is one thing. "The map is not the territory". It seems to me that there is a continuous emergent process from the inamate object to the autonomous animate object. Stone is to life as mass is to gravity.

Genady. You can make a custom stream Click: Activity > My7 Activity Streams > Create Custom Stream > Select all the forum topics you want to see > Name and save it > Click on custom stream to open it > Bookmark it to your bookmarks bar. Click on that when you want to access SFN. I've filtered out Religion. It will present just the last post in each thread Like the old days. The top of my page looks like this with all chosen areas:

You cannot be serious!

Egocentricity is a feature of children.

Vit B complex for me. Folic acid is just the synthetic version of folinic acid. Vitamin D might help as well, especially for those where sunlight is at a premium in the winter.

Therein lies the problem: they aren't playing for a team, and the attitude that goes with that. Some people think they are islands; we are all swimming in the same goldfish bowl, here on Earth. He's obviously trying to usurp the rules anyway, from his previous comments on the subject.

Vaccination programmes are necessarily about teamwork for them to work, and there is no 'I' in 'team'.