sonjouten05 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 anyone that has ever tripped on mushrooms or even "acid" at certain amounts knows what im talking about.. evolutionary progression.. why did genders form? and why are they so different from most defined genderless life forms? well.. it was the moon. the moon affected our evolutionary progress when it was formed in our rotation. life's reaction to the moon affected our progress to this point, the moon acted as a sperm to our earths "eggs" which developed into gendered life. Panspermia is real.. but what actually started life here on earth happened long before then.. but.. the moon is why nowadays theres males and females. I want this to be discussed, im saying this from a stoner mentality but i kinda just want to see if im wrong.. so help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 ! Moderator Note OK, this is definitely NOT mainstream science, so it can't stay in Evolution. We get students who expect to see answers they can use in school. So we'll move to Speculations. You're making assertions about this, saying "it is this way", rather than asking questions. This requires you to provide supportive evidence for those assertions (Panspermia is real, the moon delineates gender, moon = sperm/Earth = eggs, etc). In science, it's all about the preponderance of evidence. So please remember this when replies ask you to back up what you're claiming. Do you have anything that would qualify as supportive evidence for your idea? Good luck, and I hope the discussion is fruitful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonjouten05 Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 ! Moderator Note OK, this is definitely NOT mainstream science, so it can't stay in Evolution. We get students who expect to see answers they can use in school. So we'll move to Speculations. You're making assertions about this, saying "it is this way", rather than asking questions. This requires you to provide supportive evidence for those assertions (Panspermia is real, the moon delineates gender, moon = sperm/Earth = eggs, etc). In science, it's all about the preponderance of evidence. So please remember this when replies ask you to back up what you're claiming. Do you have anything that would qualify as supportive evidence for your idea? Good luck, and I hope the discussion is fruitful. thanks. glad you didnt dismiss me entirely because of my math deficiencies.. (not great at math but have a decent imagination.) ive always had a problem with 3d and for that 4d quantization of our current (11d?) spectrum of reality. evolution is very.. obscure to say the least and to be able to say what came from what is almost too much for a mortal man.. but.. i know what i seen and i know what our collective intelligence tells us.. the moon is why theres males and females. what made life exist before that point was always there but after that... our pollinisation or our "genderization" is what caused some of us to be male and others to be female. so you believe me though dont you (i know you wont say it, because.. well... reasons... but you see the connection.. i too feel this needs to be proven or disproven) who knows.. maybe because of this me.. "jason james clowers" will be seen as one of the innovative imaginaries of our days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 ive always had a problem with 3d and for that 4d quantization of our current (11d?) spectrum of reality. What does string/M theory have to do with your idea? Also, if you're going to string words together like this, you're going to have to explain your definitions. Spectrum of reality?! evolution is very.. obscure to say the least and to be able to say what came from what is almost too much for a mortal man.. But fortunately not for science, which is made up of hundreds of thousands of mortal humans collaborating on observations of reality. The Theory of Evolution is one of our most understood concepts. Evolution is a fact, and the theory accurately describes it's mechanisms to the best of our current abilities. but.. i know what i seen and i know what our collective intelligence tells us.. the moon is why theres males and females. This is the part you need to support. What evidence do you have that supports this statement? What steps led you to this idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endy0816 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) There are species that change genders, there are hermaphrodites, there are asexual species. A number of strategies out there. Different evolutionary trade offs involved with each. Edited February 10, 2016 by Endy0816 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonjouten05 Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I know evolution is *true. i say that because its a question that cant be 100% proven yet but its known.. in scientific non dogmatic religious circles anyways(not all religious circles though.. too much to go in right there.. some people actually worship science though.. just so you know..) which is i guess why one cant dismiss any religious point, because it relates to someone's interpretation of what happened scientifically. the part i need help with is telling me if theres any evidence against my theory (proof of gendered life before the moon), if not than well figure out where to go from there. honestly im really intrigued by this... i think itd be a great subject to add to future textbooks.. (im drunk, and im sorry.. but at one time people said i was very smart, so i just want to know.. if what i though was right, is right. and if string theory is *true it should go with everything, right?) Edited February 11, 2016 by sonjouten05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I would suggest throttling back on the shrooms and alcohol dude... I think you would have problems showing any life before the moon if current models are any indication of how the moon formed... http://www.space.com/29047-how-moon-formed-earth-collision-theory.html This image depicts the catastrophic collision of two planetary bodies similar in composition that led to the formation of the Earth and its moon 4.5 billion years ago. Credit: Hagai Perets The formation of the moon has long remained a mystery, but new studies support the theory that the moon was formed from debris left from a collision between the newborn Earth and a Mars-size rock, with a veneer of meteorites coating both afterward. Earth was born about 4.5 billion years ago, and scientists think the moon arose a short time later. The leading explanation for the moon's origin, known as the Giant Impact Hypothesis, was first proposed in the 1970s. It suggests the moon resulted from the collision of two protoplanets, or embryonic worlds. One of those was the just-forming Earth, and the other was a Mars-size object called Theia. The moon then coalesced from the debris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 in scientific non dogmatic religious circles anyways(not all religious circles though.. too much to go in right there.. some people actually worship science though.. just so you know..) which is i guess why one cant dismiss any religious point, because it relates to someone's interpretation of what happened scientifically. Science is NOT a religion. It bears absolutely no resemblance. The methodology used would prohibit any scientist from taking an explanation purely on faith. This is a crude caricature of science you're portraying, and it has no basis in reality. I don't know why you say we can't dismiss any religious point. If it has no evidential support, or it doesn't agree with reality, it deserves to be dismissed. I agree with Moontanman, I think you should stop looking for inspiration in mind altering substances. Others will find evidence that refutes your idea, and you should first concentrate on evidence that supports it. For instance, what mechanism causes the moon to affect gender in evolving creatures? How is that accomplished? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 the part i need help with is telling me if theres any evidence against my theory (proof of gendered life before the moon) 1. There is no evidence FOR your theory. So there is no reason for anyone to consider it. 2. As noted there was no life before the moon, so that question is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I know evolution is *true. i say that because its a question that cant be 100% proven yet but its known.. in scientific non dogmatic religious circles anyways(not all religious circles though.. too much to go in right there.. some people actually worship science though.. just so you know..) which is i guess why one cant dismiss any religious point, because it relates to someone's interpretation of what happened scientifically. I would like 2016 to be the year when people remembered that science is a method of investigation, and NOT a belief system https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/683681888687538177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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