MichaelHDurso Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I have always been told to challenge science and that is how scientist make discoveries. All the ideas to regular teachers in science laugh because they said its not relievant. I have two ideas that I think have some kind of purpose that people don't 1. Forces having a Force I've been told it is impossible for forces to have a force ex. Gravity having the action force of speed (Noob at science) I see that if gravity from a Blackhole is strong enough and fast enough to suck in light the action of gravity must be close to speed of light. I know this might sound rediculous but I think gravity must need the force of speed to exist and to function. Because lets say the common basilisk lizard walked into the water it would drop like a rock but when it runs with speed it glides over the water. Im thinking the same concept with light cause gravity should have speed of sucking into the black hole fast enough to suck in light or it would just go right past the black hole 2. The dip in space time in theory is actually an atmosphere?! I think the dip in spacetime might be actually an atmosphere around our planet and our sun. the concept is it has a point where things orbit and then a point where nothing orbits just like our Earth atmosphere were it has layers. think it as a sphere mesh net around the planet and when we send up satillites it gets caught in the "net" and then it slowly desends to earth because its like the sphere of death at a circus using the rockets on satillites pushes them back in place like the motorcyclist accelerates. When things go in or past it, it is like ripping a hole in the net that is fixed instantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Speed is not a force. In order to challenge science, you first need a mathematical proof of why it is wrong. You will also need scientific evidence to support your hypothesis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The very first thing you need to do is understand the current theory you wish to challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 John's point is spot on. You ideas above are very lose and seem to be based on misunderstanding how we actually think of the ideas you are challenging. For example, I don't have a clue what you mean by forces having a force. if you really understand how we work with forces then either your idea will just vanish or you will be able to state it carefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignose Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What to do when you want to challege a theory or science? You demonstrate that your idea makes predictions that agree well with measured observations. And if your predictions are more accurate than the current best predictions, then your idea becomes the new mainstream. Science is actually very easy to 'challenge', you just have to come up with an idea that makes better and more predictions than the current science. It's really that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidivad Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 are you questioning whether gravity is a force or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endy0816 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) You can prove speed isn't a force just using basic equations. F=ma a=(v-v0)/s v = velocity = speed If force equals all that other stuff it doesn't equal speed. You've probably felt this while riding in a vehicle. The only time you felt any kind of force was when your speed was changing rather than remaining constant. You can just think of a black hole as having an escape velocity that is greater than what light can escape at. Mass warping space-time would be more accurate, but the first will see you through most situations. Satellites stay up because of their speed. They fire rockets to adjust this, depending on what is needed. Edited January 16, 2014 by Endy0816 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajnish Kaushik Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 i will gather all the possible proofs (Experimental as well as mathematical) then put that on this forum to see wither its right or wrong TO Moderators why did u removed my post which consist the same word of mine?? Sincerely Rajnish Kaushik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 TO Moderators why did u removed my post which consist the same word of mine?? Sincerely Rajnish Kaushik ! Moderator Note Anything addressed to moderators should NOT appear in a thread dedicated to some other discussion — that's off-topic, and hijacking the thread. A more appropriate place would be in "comments, suggestions and support" and should probably include a more specific description of the issue, such as when you posted it and where it was posted. Please confine discussion here to addressing the OP. (For what it's worth, posting just to say you will post something isn't really a great example of a quality, on-topic post.) I shouldn't have to say it, but DO NOT RESPOND to this modnote here in the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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