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#1 hipmatt

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

Well i believe computer science is. I am writing an essay on why it is considered a science. I have found great peered reviewed articles on why it is but I cannot find a single article on why computer science is not a science. I need help in finding these articles. if anyone would be so kind in just point me in the right direction.  :embarass:


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#2 Roger Dynamic Motion

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:03 PM

Well i believe computer science is. I am writing an essay on why it is considered a science. I have found great peered reviewed articles on why it is but I cannot find a single article on why computer science is not a science. I need help in finding these articles. if anyone would be so kind in just point me in the right direction.  :embarass:

Because !~ Computer science is not (Universal scientific knowledge)
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:45 PM

Because !~ Computer science is not (Universal scientific knowledge)

Thank you Roger. for your explanation. I Have been searching different forums and a bunch of databases. There just seems to be no articles on why computer science is Not a science.  


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:07 PM

I feel like computer science is really more of a branch of mathematics than of science.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:09 PM

I feel like computer science is really more of a branch of mathematics than of science.

 

Is a branch of physics not scientific?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:18 PM

Computer science really isn't a branch of physics.  You could consider the electronic operations of a computer to be "approaching" physics, but most computer science programs in the US don't study that - you get that in an appropriate branch of electrical engineering.


Good courses in computer science might address things like dealing properly with cache memories in multi-core programming, but they really don't go down to the level of flip flops and gates and transistors.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:23 PM

CS is a branch of mathematics. Almost all computers are based on binary arithmetic and Turing machines, and Boolean logic is used to describe and optimize computer circuits.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

CS is a branch of mathematics. Almost all computers are based on binary arithmetic and Turing machines, and Boolean logic is used to describe and optimize computer circuits.

 

Yes - that's my view as well.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

Computer science really isn't a branch of physics.

 

Yet mathematics is:

 

I feel like computer science is really more of a branch of mathematics than of science. 

 

 

So which is it?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:27 PM

I don't get it - those aren't contradictory statements.  There is math and there is science - they are separate fields.  Computer "science" is more closely related to math.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:32 PM

I don't get it - those aren't contradictory statements.  There is math and there is science - they are separate fields.  Computer "science" is more closely related to math.

 

I'm a simple layman, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't math the language of physics?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:34 PM

It is, but it is not "part of physics."  Physics makes use of mathematics, but mathematics is studied in its own right as a "pure subject," independent of any application.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:56 PM

It is, but it is not "part of physics."  

 

How can one differentiate? 

 

The English language is part of English literature, but you wouldn't say 'windows for dummies' isn't literature.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:31 PM

math·e·mat·ics
maTH(ə)ˈmadiks/
noun
 
  1. the abstract science of number, quantity, and space. Mathematics may be studied in its own right ( pure mathematics ), or as it is applied to other disciplines such as physics and engineering ( applied mathematics ).
     
     
     
phys·ics
ˈfiziks/
noun
 
  1. the branch of science concerned with the nature and properties of matter and energy. The subject matter of physics, distinguished from that of chemistry and biology, includes mechanics, heat, light and other radiation, sound, electricity, magnetism, and the structure of atoms.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:40 PM

Can one study physics without mathematics?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:42 PM

I don't consider computer science as a science because it is an artificial construct with no relation to the physical world. It is an invention. It is called a science because programming involves logical argument. I can't see it as a branch of maths either, it is just the mechanism by which a complicated machine works.

 

No, you can't study physics without maths, but it doesn't follow that maths is then a science.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:45 PM

You can't do accounting without mathematics either, but math isn't a part of accounting.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:53 PM

Happy to be wrong  :-).


It means I've learnt something...


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:56 PM

Sorry if I sounded contentious at all - several threads in play this morning and some of them are somewhat contentious.  That tone really had no place here in this thread.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:56 PM

science
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noun: science
  1. the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
    "the world of science and technology"
    synonyms: branch of knowledge, body of knowledge/information/facts, area of study, discipline, field
    "the science of criminology"
    • a particular area of science.
      plural noun: sciences
      "veterinary science"
    • a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.
      "the science of criminology"
    • archaic
      knowledge of any kind.
      "his rare science and his practical skill"

 


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