7 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

I just wanted to point out the fact that when people complain about freedom and justice, they don't see the real cause of their discontent

You can only speak for yourself. You don’t appear to know what motivates other people, or what makes them “tick”

1 hour ago, raphaelh42 said:

People in my life don't make me feel weak with their money and help though, I'm wondering what made you think that

It was definitely this part:

10 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

I meant I believe that if you can eat and stay warm only thanks to money, or by being given from others, then you are weak

You actually said this is what you meant, so I'm not sure why you don't recognize the words.

1 hour ago, raphaelh42 said:

It's true I don't like people a lot, I think it's because I find almost nothing in common with people

And yet you keep coming to this website and engaging in extended conversations with us on a vast range of issues and interests. Odd.

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

And yet you keep coming to this website and engaging in extended conversations with us on a vast range of issues and interests. Odd.

I was thinking similar thoughts. OTOH, mad respect to someone living naked and with no tools, yet able to build a computer and network connection without interacting with any people.

1 minute ago, swansont said:

I was thinking similar thoughts. OTOH, mad respect to someone living naked and with no tools, yet able to build a computer and network connection without interacting with any people.

Even on reality shows like Alone, the contestants enjoy challenging themselves and braving the wild by themselves for only so long. They all end up malnourished and craving human contact, and they start out with about 10 pieces of kit to help out. Humans were never made to be alone.

The more people who live together, the more rules we need to survive, but one person alone will still have rules to follow. Even by myself, I'd impose them. Don't pee in the river, or at least upstream from where I camp. Don't make a bunch of noise so I don't scare game away. Never camp right next to the river in case of flooding.

In fact, I'd argue that being alone actually means less freedom to do what you want. A person alone may be able to do many things they couldn't do with a bunch of people around, but they also CAN'T do many things they could do if there was a bunch of people around. Even simple things, like guarding your food from nighttime predators, become a nightmare without help from others.

27 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

The more people who live together, the more rules we need to survive, but one person alone will still have rules to follow. Even by myself, I'd impose them. Don't pee in the river, or at least upstream from where I camp. Don't make a bunch of noise so I don't scare game away. Never camp right next to the river in case of flooding.

I was thinking about that. I think there’s a distinction between “good/bad idea” rules that nature dictates and the rules that we impose on each other.

9 hours ago, swansont said:

I was thinking about that. I think there’s a distinction between “good/bad idea” rules that nature dictates and the rules that we impose on each other.

Indeed, at what point do the rules slide us towards a dystopian society?

And would we be able to tell when we cross the event horizon?

I know I go on and on about a BNW (brave new world) a lot, but imagine that story with a competent AI robotics program, instead of a genetics program; would that society, with all the advantages, be dystopian?

Edited Sunday at 12:09 PM3 days by dimreepr

On 12/15/2025 at 7:11 PM, raphaelh42 said:

I've read only the 1st post and would like to say something that i believe will hurt some people because they wouldn't want to accept it's true

^ I told you, now you are angry and you attack me because you don't want to accept that when you guys complain about freedom, it's just because the governments' rules don't match your liking, and you don't want to go live in the wild neither

You can't do without the government infrastructures, you don't want to learn to do without it, yet you still complain about not being free because of their rules

On 12/21/2025 at 12:31 AM, Phi for All said:

You actually said this is what you meant, so I'm not sure why you don't recognize the words.

I forgot what you was talking about, sorry

On 12/21/2025 at 1:07 AM, TheVat said:

And yet you keep coming to this website and engaging in extended conversations with us on a vast range of issues and interests. Odd.

I said almost nothing in common with people

We have in common interest to science, you guys are not random people I see when i go out

On 12/21/2025 at 2:28 AM, swansont said:

I was thinking similar thoughts. OTOH, mad respect to someone living naked and with no tools, yet able to build a computer and network connection without interacting with any people.

Using a computer is not required to survive, unlike eating and staying warm

Ah you thought i pretended I build a pc and i live alone in the woods?... anyway

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Ok i'm done reading what you sent to me, i don't want to spend no more energy for people who lie to themselves and refuse to understand what i said about where the real freedom is