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I am currently writing a formal statement to the UN, I will be including my email in the rare scenario they do see it, here is it so far.

being who still believes that even in war, there must be limits. There must be boundaries that protect the innocent, the wounded, the children, and the caretakers who risk everything to keep them alive.

That is why I am urging the world to enforce a six to eight kilometer nonconflict zone around all hospitals in Gaza. This is not a symbolic gesture. This is a rational, calculated, and absolutely necessary step to prevent more death and irreversible trauma.

Let us start with standard artillery. The M795 155 millimeter high explosive projectile, commonly used by NATO-aligned forces, has a fragmentation radius of approximately 150 meters and a danger radius exceeding 500 meters. The M982 Excalibur, a GPS-guided artillery shell, has a smaller circular error probable but still generates lethal fragmentation over wide areas. Cluster munitions such as the M483A1 or the Israeli M85 deliver dozens of submunitions, each capable of detonating over a radius of 20 meters, often failing to explode on impact and leaving behind live ordnance in civilian areas. Thermobaric weapons, including the Russian TOS-1A and various air-dropped fuel-air explosives, can affect structures and human lungs within a radius of 500 to 2000 meters due to overpressure and heat. These weapons create blast waves that cannot be precisely contained, especially in densely built environments.

These weapons are not designed for surgical use in cities. They should be explicitly banned from use in Gazaโ€™s urban sectors. Even drone-dropped munitions such as those deployed from IAI Harop loitering munitions or Elbit SkyStriker systems can cause disproportionate civilian damage when detonated within residential zones. The collateral effects of aerial thermobarics or wide-area explosives violate the principles of distinction and proportionality enshrined in international humanitarian law.

Now consider the geography. In Gaza, no hospital is isolated. They are all surrounded by apartment towers, clinics, daycares, and breadlines. When a military objective appears within two kilometers of a hospital, the hospital becomes tactically surrounded. Even if the building is not struck directly, the concussive wave and collapse of adjacent structures can render it unusable.

Let me be specific about where civilians must be given a safe chance to flee.

From northern Gaza, residents near Jabalia and Beit Lahia must be allowed to evacuate through the corridor beginning near Street 10 in Beit Hanoun. The precise recommended checkpoint for initiating civilian movement is at coordinates 31.5553ยฐ N, 34.5442ยฐ E. From there, they should be funneled south along the Al-Sikka corridor, with a protected secondary waystation established at 31.5416ยฐ N, 34.5299ยฐ E. This route bypasses the most heavily targeted eastern districts and connects with central medical staging areas within a safe six kilometer radius.

In central Gaza City, civilians and ambulances from the Rimal and Tal al-Hawa districts should evacuate using the Al-Rashid coastal road. The optimal emergency corridor should initiate at 31.5026ยฐ N, 34.4491ยฐ E, moving southwest along the coastline, with a protected transit checkpoint near 31.4757ยฐ N, 34.4015ยฐ E. This route remains relatively flat and avoids areas previously cratered by artillery. It is crucial that all airburst munitions and drones be restricted within an eight kilometer radius of this evacuation path.

Further south, in Khan Younis, families trapped in eastern neighborhoods such as Abasan and Bani Suheila must have clear access through agricultural roads leading westward. The designated staging checkpoint should begin at 31.3535ยฐ N, 34.3469ยฐ E, moving west along the Route 4 bypass road toward the humanitarian checkpoint at 31.3508ยฐ N, 34.3080ยฐ E. Military assets must remain outside an eight kilometer perimeter from this corridor to ensure safe passage to the European Gaza Hospital and affiliated relief shelters.

From Rafah, where overcrowding has turned temporary tents into permanent encampments, evacuation efforts must prioritize the zone beginning at 31.2869ยฐ N, 34.2570ยฐ E. From there, movement northward must be enabled toward the open transit zone near 31.3124ยฐ N, 34.2822ยฐ E, which sits along one of the last viable open spaces not yet subject to aerial bombardment. This pathway, if kept free from guided missile or indirect fire systems, could serve as an evacuation artery toward UN-coordinated aid stations.

But these routes only work if the tools of war are kept far enough away.

Do not use 155 millimeter artillery shells within ten kilometers of residential hospitals.

Do not use cluster munitions within urban blocks.

Do not deploy thermobaric weapons in cities under siege.

Do not permit drone strikes in corridors where civilians move by foot or stretcher.

The Geneva Conventions demand that hospitals and civilians be protected. But protection does not mean declarations or empty statements. It means calculating blast radii. It means drawing real-world perimeters. It means saying clearly which weapons should never be fired where people sleep, heal, or bleed.

Six kilometers gives margin for error. Eight gives space for life to continue.

We have the maps. We have the coordinates. We know the blast zones. If we choose not to enforce these buffers, we are no longer watching a war. We are watching a slow annihilation, enabled by silence.

I have seen doctors suture wounds while standing in puddles of their own hospitalโ€™s drinking water. I have seen bloodied children wheeled across rubble on plastic tabletops because gurneys are gone. I have seen desperate families running into open air because the basement shelter is already full of bodies.

This is not collateral. This is collapse.

And it is preventable.

A six to eight kilometer nonconflict zone around hospitals and civilian corridors is not idealism. It is operational realism. It is the legal minimum. It will not stop the war. But it will protect the places where humanity still survives.

If we cannot spare six kilometers to protect the healers, then we have already surrendered our claim to civilization.

Six kilometers minimum. Eight if you care enough.

That is not just a line. It is the last one left.

It is quite pathetic,, but itโ€™s what I have at the moment. I need any and all suggestions possible for information to be included.

2 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

I am not writing this as a general, a diplomat, or a politician. I am writing this as a human being who still believes that even in war,*

Good luck with that.

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23 minutes ago, swansont said:

Admirable but I donโ€™t think anyone who has already ignored the Geneva conventions and the UN will suddenly start complying.

Damn it. Well what else can I do?

March, write your Congress members, sign petitions, vote, donate to reputable relief agencies, get a degree in a health field and join DWB (MSF), Red Cross, etc, join Greta Thunberg in a food/medicine smuggling run, feign being a Right Wing ideologue on conservative websites while generating content that subtly undermines the RW positions on geopolitics and Likudist/ Zionist propaganda...

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17 minutes ago, TheVat said:

March, write your Congress members, sign petitions, vote, donate to reputable relief agencies, get a degree in a health field and join DWB (MSF), Red Cross

Sure, this I can do potentially.

17 minutes ago, TheVat said:

Greta Thunberg in a food/medicine smuggling run

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.
When Greta Thunberg goes on a food/medicine smuggling run into the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, I will take her seriously, otherwise she's just putting her biases on display.

Apologies for the off-topic comment ...

Just now, MigL said:

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.
When Greta Thunberg goes on a food/medicine smuggling run into the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, I will take her seriously, otherwise she's just putting her biases on display.

Apologies for the off-topic comment ...

What would she do there, though? While they are occupied by the Russians and there is ample evidence of war crimes, afaik they are not actively starving the population. Also while I think counting deaths is not the greatest measure for a wide range of reasons, In the Ukraine about 20k civilians died in Ukraine and among those were over 700 children according to OHCHR estimates (2022-2025). While in the regions there is an increase in food security, reported numbers where as high as 40 % (some reports put it closer to 20%, likely on the precise definition) having to cut down on food consumption (e.g. skipping meals https://www.wfp.org/news/three-years-war-ukraine-one-third-population-frontlines-regions-struggle-find-enough-eat). UN food programs are active in that region.

Numbers are difficult to obtain for Gaza with some UN counts outpace those of the Gazan authorities. Israel estimates about one civilian death per combatant, others put it higher. But even taking Netanyahu's numbers, which folks generally do not take seriously, the number of civilian deaths was at 16,000 by May 2024. Around a third were estimated to be children. Since then the death toll only has increased and the only increased. Meanwhile, the only food available is external and distribution (including UN programs) have been severely restricted by the IDF. While there are approved activities by the IRC, they identified severe shortcomings.

This has dramatically increased malnutrition about half a million are under extreme food security risk and an assessment of 250 households identified:

  1. Nearly three in five families reported being unable to find bread or fresh food,

  2. More than 60% said they were struggling to access drinking water, and

  3. Nearly two-thirds said that canned food was disappearing from markets.ย 

https://www.rescue.org/uk/press-release/malnutrition-rates-gaza-skyrocket-irc-warns-israels-new-plans-humanitarian-aid

https://www.bmj.com/content/389/bmj.r1252

Again, I do not think a lot is to be gained by making this comparison as both are in very different situations. As such, I feel that it really drifts into whataboutism region.

We can also look at organizations operating in both regions. For example World Central Kitchen (a great organization, btw.) has provided food in both, Ukraine and Gaza. But in Gaza workers were killed by the IDF and eventually stopped operations as they ran out of supplies.

That is not to say that activism is actually the equivalent to effectively delivering food. This type of activities is generally aimed to raise awareness and creating political pressure, though I am uncertain of effectiveness.

32 minutes ago, MigL said:

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.
When Greta Thunberg goes on a food/medicine smuggling run into the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, I will take her seriously, otherwise she's just putting her biases on display.

Apologies for the off-topic comment ...

I disagree with this sentiment. People are allowed to have their own priorities. You can be negative about things they arenโ€™t doing, but because thereโ€™s way more stuff than any one person can do, anybody can be a target. People used to attack Al Gore this way on climate change. People who fight for rights of animals being criticized for not helping humans. It happens everywhere. They donโ€™t answer to you, and theyโ€™re allowed to pick the battles they fight.

Or you can be positive about the fact that theyโ€™re doing something about a bad situation.

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54 minutes ago, MigL said:

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.
When Greta Thunberg goes on a food/medicine smuggling run into the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, I will take her seriously, otherwise she's just putting her biases on display.

Apologies for the off-topic comment ...

Gaining such estimates on casualties are always flawed, as such is the case in Gaza. Both the Russian and Ukrainian armies have committed war crimes and ethnic based violence. Keep in mind a huge reason this war started was an Russian minority ethnic group in Ukraine claiming they faced discrimination.

Hereโ€™s a bright idea oโ€™ intelligent nations. Letโ€™s not bomb the shit out of each others health facilities. ๐Ÿคฏ

I put the โ€œ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿค๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑโ€ so everyone understands my point that peace is required in that both sides must reach an agreement. What I did do is assist in locating alternate routes for Gazaโ€™s civilians to free in the meantime. Again, itโ€™s quite a pathetic statement right now hence why I am working on it further.

5 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Keep in mind a huge reason this war started was an Russian minority ethnic group in Ukraine claiming they faced discrimination.

That was the Russian claim.
They also claimed they were fighting NAZIs in a 'special operatipn', not a war.

28 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Again, I do not think a lot is to be gained by making this comparison as both are in very different situations. As such, I feel that it really drifts into whataboutism region.

The metric is, ultimately, how many people die, whether it be by malnutrition/starvation, or being shot and blown to bits.
The 'whataboutism' applies to your implication that one is a more humane way to die than the other.

14 minutes ago, swansont said:

They donโ€™t answer to you, and theyโ€™re allowed to pick the battles they fight.

I would assume I share that same right to criticize what I see as misguided or biased.


Other than that particular sentence relating to Greta Thunberg I have no problem with any of the other excellent suggestions made by @TheVat in his post.
Again ... apologies for continuing off topic.
( I was forced to defend )


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8 minutes ago, MigL said:

That was the Russian claim.
They also claimed they were fighting NAZIs in a 'special operation', not a war.

Though the claim has no current evidence, it still exists and is perfectly viable propaganda to a person that doesnโ€™t read at all.

9 hours ago, MigL said:

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.
When Greta Thunberg goes on a food/medicine smuggling run into the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, I will take her seriously, otherwise she's just putting her biases on display.

Apologies for the off-topic comment ...

No apologies needed. It's useful to keep things in perspective as to where people are suffering. When I toss off ideas in a quick list, I expect there will be corrections. And I don't know about mortality statistics, given the wide variance in estimates. Some sources say deaths caused by the Gaza war is a multiple of the direct deaths number (~ 55K, IIRC), with much starvation happening right now. And Gaza has much higher ratio of civilian deaths, from all reports.

12 hours ago, MigL said:

About 40X as many people have died in Ukraine ( Russian and Ukrainian ) as have died in Gaza.

These numbers/percentages will differ if viewed from the perspective of the ratio of military to civilians.

Gaza, if you don't know, has 365 km^2. Chicago, for comparison, has 600 km^2.

Block 2/3 of Chicago and don't let anyone bring food to residents.. (paraphrasing)

It is inconceivable that European military ships do not go there and distribute food to them..

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13 hours ago, Sensei said:

Gaza, if you don't know, has 365 km^2. Chicago, for comparison, has 600 km^2.

Block 2/3 of Chicago and don't let anyone bring food to residents.. (paraphrasing)

It is inconceivable that European military ships do not go there and distribute food to them..

What does any of this have to do with Greta Thunberg's mission to appear relevant ?

I would be willing to bet large sums of money that even in gun-happy USA, there are less weapons in Chicago than there are in Gaza.
And they seem to be getting in, no problem, so your analogy fails miserably.
( maybe Iran should supply cases of food instead of cases of rockets )

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10 hours ago, MigL said:

I would be willing to bet large sums of money that even in gun-happy USA, there are less weapons in Chicago than there are in Gaza.
And they seem to be getting in, no problem, so your analogy fails miserably.
( maybe Iran should supply cases of food instead of cases of rockets )

Saying all Americans are gun happy is like saying all Canadians guzzle maple syrup. Letโ€™s avoid using stereotypes

19 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Saying all Americans are gun happy is like saying all Canadians guzzle maple syrup. Letโ€™s avoid using stereotypes

Thatโ€™s not a fair comparison. โ€œGun-happy USAโ€ refers to the country, and such a generalization does not imply that all inhabitants have that attitude. So itโ€™s a bit of a strawman.

Between levels of private gun ownership and the legal framework which allows it, I think โ€œgun-happy USAโ€ is a reasonable assessment of the country. Itโ€™s not a stereotype of the people, though itโ€™s true for a critical mass of the people in power.

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3 hours ago, swansont said:

Thatโ€™s not a fair comparison. โ€œGun-happy USAโ€ refers to the country, and such a generalization does not imply that all inhabitants have that attitude. So itโ€™s a bit of a strawman.

Between levels of private gun ownership and the legal framework which allows it, I think โ€œgun-happy USAโ€ is a reasonable assessment of the country. Itโ€™s not a stereotype of the people, though itโ€™s true for a critical mass of the people in power.

So then applying the same logic would it be ok to say all Canadians are ice hockey fans?

1 hour ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

So then applying the same logic would it be ok to say all Canadians are ice hockey fans?

That would be making the same error. โ€œgun-happy USAโ€ is not saying โ€œall Americans love gunsโ€ so changing the country and subject is still a problem

The failure is twofold. You are changing the country to citizens of that country (Canadians love hockey, which is a stereotype), and compounding the error by adding an โ€œallโ€

Is Canada โ€œhockey-happyโ€? Sure seemed that way when I lived there. Iโ€™ve joked that a Canadian news broadcast went โ€œWar has broken out and natural disasters have hit multiple countries. But first, the hockey resultsโ€

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23 minutes ago, swansont said:

That would be making the same error. โ€œgun-happy USAโ€ is not saying โ€œall Americans love gunsโ€ so changing the country and subject is still a problem

The failure is twofold. You are changing the country to citizens of that country (Canadians love hockey, which is a stereotype), and compounding the error by adding an โ€œallโ€

Is Canada โ€œhockey-happyโ€? Sure seemed that way when I lived there. Iโ€™ve joked that a Canadian news broadcast went โ€œWar has broken out and natural disasters have hit multiple countries. But first, the hockey resultsโ€

Would โ€œgun happy USAโ€ not be a generalization?

Otherwise, I do see your point, I concede

YES !
I love hockey ( damn you Brad Marchand ), and I guzzle maple syrup from the bottle.
A co-worker from Quebec supplies me with maple 'butter' which I love on my toast.
you don't know what you're missing.

11 hours ago, MigL said:

I love hockey ( damn you Brad Marchand ), and I guzzle maple syrup from the bottle.

I am not even Canadian and I like both, although I would say some guy named Bobrovsky was a bigger impediment to a team from Canada ever winning the Stanley Cup again than Mr. Marchand. In about 60 years of making maple syrup, I have consumed it in every form I am familiar with and on/in many different foods. The bad thing is that it has made me a syrup snob and I won't eat Log Cabin or Mrs Butterworths on my pancakes, substituting honey or jam if real maple syrup is unavailable.

15 hours ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Would โ€œgun happy USAโ€ not be a generalization?

It is. It describes the US as a whole, without acknowledging any nuance. But itโ€™s not a stereotype, since itโ€™s not talking about people

16 hours ago, swansont said:

Is Canada โ€œhockey-happyโ€? Sure seemed that way when I lived there. Iโ€™ve joked that a Canadian news broadcast went โ€œWar has broken out and natural disasters have hit multiple countries. But first, the hockey resultsโ€

I remember long ago reading a paper on false correlations and pseudoscience that used Canadian hockey as an example. Some kook had come up with a "proof" of astrology which was that Canadian hockey teams were dominated by Scorpios and Sagittarius. The debunker pointed out that Canadian kids started hockey in some early grade and that coaches picked mostly the kids born right after the school system's age cutoff, at an age (say, seven) when the oldest kids in the grade had a distinct advantage in strength, speed and motor development. Compensate for that effect and the whole skew vanished and distributions became Gaussian around seasonal birth rates.

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1 hour ago, swansont said:

It is. It describes the US as a whole, without acknowledging any nuance. But itโ€™s not a stereotype, since itโ€™s not talking about people

Ah ok I see. Apologies then

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