Well folks, I read the article (only once) and immediately thought it explained a lot about the way I have felt and the way I have organised my 88 years lived so far. I then read the description found by googling otrovert to my wife (one of the very few I feel close to) and asked " Do you think this seems a bit like me?" She laughed and said "100% like you!".

I was wondering if anyone else on the forum would feel the same after reading some googled information :-

An otrovert is an emerging personality concept for an emotionally independent individual who easily socializes but has no desire to fit into groups or follow the collective "hive mind". Coined by psychiatrist Dr. Rami Kaminski, the term combines otro (Spanish for "other") and vert (to turn). [1, 2]

Key Characteristics

• Socially Adept, Not an Outcast: They are friendly and can navigate social settings, but they don't draw their identity or self-worth from peer validation. [1]

• Not an Introvert or Extrovert: Unlike introverts, they aren't necessarily drained by people; unlike extroverts, they don't gain energy from crowds. [1]

• Depth Over Breadth: They prefer intimate, one-on-one relationships rather than identifying with broad political, social, or communal groups. [1, 2]

• Independent Thinkers: They often march to the beat of their own drum and have a strong capacity for original, autonomous thought. [1, 2]

The Debate Around the Trait

Because this is a very new framework introduced in Dr. Kaminski’s book, The Gift of Not Belonging, it is not an officially established clinical diagnosis or formal category in traditional personality psychology. [1, 2]

• The Appeal: Many people who feel they never quite fit into clubs, cliques, or communal groups find the concept deeply validating and liberating. [1, 2]

• The Skepticism: Some psychologists and commentators, as discussed in University of Michigan Psychology News, suggest it is less of a groundbreaking biological "type" and more of a specific configuration of already-known traits like extreme individualism.[1, 2]

• Community Sentiments: On discussion forums like Reddit, users express mixed opinions; while many resonate strongly with the idea, others feel it's simply a new label for traits already covered by existing classifications. [1]

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• Are You an Otrovert?What Belonging Means and What It Doesn't

  Are You an Otrovert? What Belonging Means and What It Doesn't — A New Trio of Beings * An “otrovert” embodies the personality trai...

  Medium

• Enter the Otrovert - LinkedIn

  If Kaminski is correct, it adds further fuel to the debate about why or whether we need to pin labels on people. There's an argume...

  LinkedIn

• Otrovert - Wikipedia

  * Origin. Kaminski introduced the term in his 2025 book, The Gift of Not Belonging, and it appears in his writing about belonging,

  Wikipedia

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Why it's not accepted in social science

• Lack of empirical data: The term is too new to be supported by peer-reviewed, empirical studies or diagnostic manuals. [1, 2]

• Personality dimensions: Academic psychologists generally classify personality along continuous dimensions, like the Big Five personality traits, rather than isolated categories. [1]

• Expert skepticism: Experts, such as Dr. Aidan Wright at the University of Michigan, note that it is highly unlikely that "otroversion" will be classified as a new, distinct personality type. [1]

• Overlaps with existing concepts: On psychology forums and in academic discussions, some experts argue that it simply overlaps with existing concepts (like ambiversion) or traits of neurodivergence, such as high-masking autism. [1, 2]

The Bottom Line

While the concept resonates with many individuals who feel different from group dynamics, it remains an informal, conversational label rather than a formally recognized psychological construc

"The Bottom Line

While the concept resonates with many individuals who feel different from group dynamics, it remains an informal, conversational label rather than a formally recognized psychological construc"

Thank you iNow, I can accept completely what you say. Whether the concept does or does not deserve its own classification the fact is the description resonates strongly with me and I and I am wondering if it resonates with others on a science forum.

Today, I learned that one can place LaTeX in the title of a thread. Well done, @Markus Hanke ! 👍

TIL that Ceuta, Spain is NOT an exclave, because an exclave is a portion of a state or district geographically separated from the main part, by some surrounding alien territory. Since Ceuta can access Spain directly across the sea, which is not alien territory, it doesn't qualify as an exclave. Nor as an enclave, since it is not surrounded by Morocco - though it does share a land border with them.

So I was incorrectly calling Ceuta an exclave. (Kaliningrad, however, is one, being separated from Russia by Poland and Lithuania) Since I'd never heard of Ceuta until a couple days ago due to thousands of desperate migrants swarming in from Morocco I didn't make the mistake for very long.

23 hours ago, TheVat said:

TIL that Ceuta, Spain is NOT an exclave, because an exclave is a portion of a state or district geographically separated from the main part, by some surrounding alien territory. Since Ceuta can access Spain directly across the sea, which is not alien territory, it doesn't qualify as an exclave. Nor as an enclave, since it is not surrounded by Morocco - though it does share a land border with them.

So I was incorrectly calling Ceuta an exclave. (Kaliningrad, however, is one, being separated from Russia by Poland and Lithuania) Since I'd never heard of Ceuta until a couple days ago due to thousands of desperate migrants swarming in from Morocco I didn't make the mistake for very long.

Ceuta is correctly described as an ‘autonomous Spanish city’, one which happens to be located on the North African coast on the La Almina peninsula which is joined by a narrow isthmus to the territory of Morocco.

The interesting point is that it isn’t the only one. There is another autonomous Spanish city and former free port called Melilla which is located several hundred kilometres to the east along the Moroccan coast on the eastern side of another peninsula called the Cape of Three Forks just north of Nador. But you won’t hear very much about it in the news because the sea passage to Almeira in Spain from there is about  103 miles - five times longer longer than than the sea crossing between Ceuta and Algeciras which is barely 20 miles.

Morocco maintains irredentist claims on both Ceuta and Melilla, but has discovered that fomenting chaos in Ceuta by standing down their border guards at regular intervals and allowing tens of thousands of illegal migrants to flood into Spanish territory generates a much more gratifying amount of press coverage and Schengen related paranoia in the EU, because Ceuta is so much closer by sea to mainland Spain.