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You don't seriously expect me to continue our conversation, following that reply do you ?

Wiki is not always accurate. Photons do not 'originate' from slits.

No thanks for several offers of help then with your editing problem. Goodbye and close the door on your way out.

I also meant to say that phase is one of the important basic characteristics of all waves, shape is another and strength is a third. Simple plane waves have the characteristic of not loosing strength they propagate because they don't spread out.

BLANK well who'd have thought that. Drag and drop works. But fine control (positioning within 3 lines) is impossible.

I will try that, I have never found a way to move down the top quote short of using cut, followed by typing something in, followed by pasting the quote back in below the new typing.

70 something posts into this thread an it sounds like you are actually asking a question, instead of laying down incorrect law. Progress. So you have been told that light is a transverse wave (swansont again). The point of using planar waves in the models is that they don't spread out. They are particularly simple to work with because the three dimensions can be separated mathematically. All segments of the wavefront have the same direction of propagation, and all the oscillatory action take place in planes that the line of direction is normal to. Each plane is a plane of constant phase. A

No one is being silly. My heat pump vanes can quite easily ice up when there is no snow or ice about, due to quite low speed air movements through them. Microgeneration. Yes, that is why the diameter of these huge wind tubine rotors is so large. I wonder how thick the 'wall' need to be to generate any electricity from any reasonable wind speed, after overcoming friction of course.

So press return before entering the quote to generate a blank line. That's what I do.

Since you have used equality in your definition of Mathematics, what is the Science that defines equality for us, to prevent your definition becoming self referential ?

A climate activist cycles out to fix it. https://www.thenational.scot/news/19667986.stunt-cycling-star-danny-macaskill-wind-turbine-challenge-climate-change/

Agreed. But from the article. Nonsense. Even in the windiest place on Earth there are periods of calm. But why stand it on the ground ? A good safe place might be built into the gable end under a pitched roof. Or simple erected on top of a flat roof. Wherever it is placed there would need to be a store capable of holding the a predicted numbers of days usage in calm weather. In the UK building codes have maps showing isopleths that could be used for design purposes, as they already are for structural purposes. Final thought. What happens when they ice up ?

This might help

I have already confirmed that you understand I am referring to the wave approaching the slits from the source, by specifying in that space. As with diffraction and interference, there are differences between polarisation and planarity (plane waves), and coherence. Some waves cannot be polarised, but can still come in planar form, for example longitudinal waves. I'm suprised you respond to my specifying a plane wave by offering a laser, since as swansont has already noted, they are not plane sources. I agree that small optical lasers yield granular images on screen, though if you had an integrating screen over time you would achieve even illumination. True plane waves would indeed illuminate a detector screen evenly. In fact I do not know of any light sources that directly emit plane waves. Most light sources approximate to point sources (there are no true point sources). Such sources usually generate circular or spherical waves. A good guide to the type of wave is the shape of the wavefront - linear, circular, spherical etc. These have to be generated by special conditioning of the light from the source. So, if you do not know the reason for working with them, it would be suprising that you do not ask. The Arago experiment you referred to (the bright centre dot) is shown by Wiki to employ a point source. Do you think there would also be a dot if the waves were planar ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arago_spot However Arago is also known for lots of careful experiments in collaboration with Fresnel using plane waves. All of this shows, as we have been telling you, that light has some wave character, some corpusucular character and some quantum character and possibly some additional characters as well.

Obviously you missed my response as it contained the answer to your original question.

So what ? How does that disagree with what I said and where exactly did I say you could ?

But we do call it yellow. yolk is Old English for yellow. (they spelt it geolca) pun intended.

I didn't think I'd ever give a +1 for cheating but there you go. You did however start correctly, hopefully you are not too drunk to finish it correctly.

Thank you for your answers to the questions. Yes I think from your answers you have correctly understood the questions. However you questions demonstrate that you need to understand the basics better. This is not a personal criticism but an attempt to help you. Diffraction and interference are different phenomena. Interference ony occurs when two separate waves overlap (occupy the same space). Changes of direction (spreading) of the waves is not involved. Diffraction is the result of a single wave interacting with a wave blocking object. It is the name given to the spreading of (single) waves when they pass through apertures or around objects. Until recently it has not been possible to show interference from two different light sources, but has been possible with other waves. That is way classical interference experiments split the light from a single source. The slit(s) experiment require a single plane wave in the space between the source and the slit(s) barrier. So interference is not possible or observable in that space. Insertion of an observation screen will show an even illumination. Insertion of a blocking object may show diffraction effects around its edges or in its shadow zone. With a single slit, the result of the passage of the wave depends upon the geometry of both the wave and the slit. Some results are also dependent upon the distances of the source and observing screen from the slits. For instance this distinguishes Fraunhofer and Fresnel diffraction. All of these phenomena are well tested experimentally, some have been known for hundreds of years. As regards the difference between the wave and photon models of light consider the quantity I, the intensity of illumination at any point on the screen. We have for photons [math]I = nh\nu [/math] And for waves [math]I = {\varepsilon _0}c{E^2}[/math] The key point here is that for either model the I must be equal as they refer to the same observable quantity.

Yes Markus has nailed it. I was wondering whether to recommend the Beiser book to you anyway but here is the contents page. Note carefully that his choice of chapters and their order. 1. 2. Particle properties of waves. 3. Wave properties of particles. 4. It really is a well thought out book. In particular it describes the observations and experiments that led to the 'quantum theory of light' really well. So let me ask you some simply physics question. In the single slit or double slit experiment, is diffraction or interference possible in the region before the slit barrier i.e. can diffraction or interference be observed ? Are both interference and diffraction possible in a) The single slit ? b) The double slit ?

It is not a question of semantics. You plain and simple misquoted the man. You really owe him an apology.

Hello, and welcome. You opening post reminds me of when I was 12 and wrote to Patrick Moore because I did not understand the greenhouse effect and he wrote me a letter not only beautifully explaining it to me but also encouraging me to keep thinking and questioning. So it is with you and infinity. Infinity is not only a very stange beast it is also a many headed one. And each head is different. The light that is worrying is infinitely spread out, if the size of the universe is infinite. So there will be no flood of light at any point, no matter how much light there is in total. In fact we now know that what we see is not totally black (ie zero light) but there is a residual amount at a very low level called the CMB or background radiation. Additionally there isobviously more light when we look at a nearby source of light, and the closer the source is the brighter is seems. Does this help ?

I really am amazed how completely you have just proved my words in your desire to argue, instead of listen. You have completely twisted swanson't words round in your reply to me. How can "will not interact" (swansont) ever mean "should interact" (bangstrom) ? Just to continue my suggestion that you should leran the basics properly here is a really good book by Arthur Beiser (fourth edition or later) Concepts of Modern Physics - McGraw-Hill. The book lays out all the areas of modern physics in a way that can be easily understood with excellent summaries and diagrams and contains the answers to many of the questions you seem to want to debate.

A perfect example of why you are not listening to others. Which is particularly counterproductive here as swansont has graced you with far more detailed answers than his usual terse responses. I really suggest you stop looking for esoteric special cases and start learning the basics.

@md65536 Yeah you got it +1