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well said! +1

I have read with some of the research I have done, that due to the remarkable intelligence of our Oceanic octopuses, that they be banned from dining room tables and restaurants. While I love calamari I would support such a move. Interesting to not that the ancient Hawaiians (probably still doing it) used the following to help capture these creatures...... "This octopus lure called a leho he`e is a tool of trickery. The octopus is attracted to the beautiful cowrie shell and the promise of a tasty meal but upon attack they are scooped up by Hawaiian fisherman. The lures are hung to 480-720 feet (146.4-219.6 m) and shaken up and down to entice the octopus. Not only did fishermen catch octopus for food, the practice was also a sport for the aristocracy. (Smithsonian Collections)" from https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/cephalopods

If I can add another...a book entitled "Longitude" by Dava Sobel...a story about solving the greatest scientific problem of the time, and the carpenter that took up the challenge creating the first working chronometer that could be used at sea on an unstable surface, and away from any observational land forms. His name was John Harrison. The problem was monumental and the cause of many tragedies at sea in that age of Oceanic exploration. So much so that King George 111 offered prizes and rewards worth millions today. Even the great Sir Isacc Newton thought it impossible. Another great and learned read.

Not quite as sillier a hair do as the two above, but an illustration of what our Prime Minister is about. The photo was at some pentescostal service he attends every Sunday, affiliated with the Australian Christian Churches, the Australian branch of the Assemblies of God.

Not sure if the following meets your criteria, but by far the best book I have read, was literally a history lesson on 19th century/20th century science. The book was "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes, detailing the work of scientist from Curie, Bequeral, Rhotegen, to Szillard, Bohr, Bethe, Fermi, Einstein, and Feynman, up to Oppenheimer and the Manhatten project. Literally far more a great history of science, then the actual making, and dropping of the bomb and its after effects. Great read!!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60007119 Videos on social media showed traffic jams as people tried to flee low-lying areas by car. One resident, Mere Taufa, said the eruption had hit as her family was preparing for dinner, and her younger brother had thought bombs were exploding nearby. "My first instinct was to take cover under the table, I grabbed my little sister, and screamed at my parents and others in the house to do the same," New Zealand news site Stuff.co.nz quoted her as saying. Ms Taufa said the next thing she knew, water was rushing into their home. "You could just hear screams everywhere, people screaming for safety, for everyone to get to higher ground," she added. The plumes of gas, smoke and ash pouring from the volcano reached 20km into the sky, Tonga Geological Services said. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.9news.com.au/videos/world/fiji-feels-effects-of-underwater-volcano-eruption/ckygxi5i5000u0jnaiy6z7go0 Fiji feels effects of underwater volcano eruption Villages in Fiji have gone underwater after an underground volcano eruption near Tonga sparked a tsunami.

Well the five test series has concluded with the Aussies giving the Poms a 4-0 drubbing with one test drawn. A poignant and touching moment occurred during the celebrations. Usman Khawaja, ( a muslim who are not allowed to drink alcohol) who scored a century in both innings in the 4th test is also a muslim. The usual cracking open bottles of champaign began on the podium and Usman quickly dismounted the stage to avoid being sprayed. The captain Pat Cummins, noticed him leaving and quickly told his team mates to put the bottles down, and recalled Khawaja to the celebrations. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-17/why-australias-cricket-team-stopped-ashes-celebration/100761016 Why Australia's cricket team stopped their Ashes' celebrations after popping champagne Usman Khawaja (right) jumped off the stage to avoid the champagne spray from teammates amid the Ashes celebrations in Hobart "Spotting his departure, Cummins was seen interrupting the spray and signalling Khawaja to come back to the podium so he could be part of the team celebrations. Khawaja joined the fray, and the team celebrations began anew. Cricket fans spotted Cummins' call and praised the skipper for showing a more inclusive approach to the post-match festivities. Before the series started, late last year Khawaja told the ABC about growing up loving cricket but struggling to identify with an Australian team that had a very different background and experience to him. "I struggled as a young kid to support Australia because I just didn't see any connection between myself and the Australian cricket team," he said. "I felt like they were totally different, white-dominated, the VB-drinking larrikins that I really struggled with in Western Sydney for a long time." The captain’s call shows the team is aware of the need to change its behaviour. There’s been several challenges to the team’s culture in the past few years, with the team in flux after the resignation of Tim Paine after a sexting scandal last year. Cummins' on-field acumen was rarely tested in his maiden series as captain, with a slightly late declaration in Sydney the sole blemish since he took over." ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Beautifully done Pat, and an example of how peoples of different cultures, are able to enact together in the discipline of sport and its great unification ability. I was going to continue about how test cricket compared to baseball, is similar to comparing chess to draughts, but I don't want to upset my Canadian and American members. 😉

But none of the answers given in any link even goes close in supporting your fanciful thoughts. And still far less problem then your own approach of making uninformed way out statements, without any references supporting such...coupled with your emotional reactions and accusations of hypocrisy, plenty of rhetoric, no substance....weird irrelevant videos.... whinging about condescending....eventually admitting I am right, but not admitting I am right ☺️....claiming I am prejudice...claiming I am bluffing...irrelevent "poker" analogies...a general weird cryptic style in answering/avoiding answering, and as has been noted by others. All in all, scraping the bottom of the barrel, in a vane effort to promote your life philosophy. 🤭😆That's exactly what you don't do my friend! Childishly refusal to answer the OP, childish accusations, no references, no links. But just in case you keep missing my links for some unknown magical reason, here we go again..... https://www.quora.com/Could-octopuses-theoretically-evolve-to-become-a-space-faring-civilization-If-yes-what-do-you-think-it-could-look-like https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303652521_Beyond_the_Octopus_From_General_Intelligence_Toward_a_Human-Like_Mind https://next.voxcreative.com/sponsored/11387354/here-are-5-things-serious-scientists-believe-about-extraterrestrial There just the references and links on this page...too lazy to go back further.... See the previous links, and if you are able, post references supporting your stance. Your pretense is not very convincing. 🥱 You forgot my prejudice and my bluffing! 😄 Yes I reject your fanciful proclomations/claims, and support those rejections with links and references. So why didn't you say that? Instead of beating round the bush, essentially trying to make yourself something you are not? ( I'm not pretending to be a scientist or a philosopher; just saying what I see.) I didn't say it would be easy either. I said "universal" mathematics and descriptive illustrations and geometry, would likely be a means of communications, with advanced beings, not with octopuses and tomato plants. eg: our own Pioneer and Voyager probes. Since it seems it has gone over your head, my mention of spiderman and sandman was to illustrate the fanciful nature of your own predictions. Again, from a previous link...."The problem with the “Is it possible?” class of questions is that our explorations of the world have taught us that it is unwise to put constraints on what is possible. It may be more useful to address the probability of this happening." Reminds me of a time in the forties during WW2 when they commenced the Manhatten project. The probability of a fission bomb igniting the atmosphere and destroying the world was raised. It was discarded by the scientists, and many many explosive fission devices since have supported that. Agree with you, and invoke the same clause..."The problem with the “Is it possible?” class of questions is that our explorations of the world have taught us that it is unwise to put constraints on what is possible. It may be more useful to address the probability of this happening." In essence, DM is nothing more then a source of gravity, and life (as we know it) interacts with the other known forces via chemical reactions, which obviously DM does not..

Couldn't agree more. Daniel Andrews during the Delta pandemic last year was by far the most impressive of all the Premiers, reporting in detail, every day at news conferences and taking action when necessary. I remember some of his confrontations with Credlin the Cretin, and ex Tony Abbott adviser now working for sky news. So much so, there is a move to get him into Federal politics if Labor loses the next elections. He is PM Matterial. Exactly always has been and always will be. Get vaccinated or stay home. (and I certainly don't see having had covid previously, as a way out...interesting to see what more Tennis Australia has to say)

My apologies...they do both have silly hair do's though...

Bingo! and as I virtually said. Don't forget though, our present Prime Minister, Scott Morrison is just a rung or two above your former President...you know, the bloke that advised taking cleaning fluid or such for covid.

One of the most defining moments in this whole sorry affair, was that previously Djokovic was never seen wearing a mask, until.....until that final act when his visa was cancelled, and he is seen wearing a mask, being taken to detention by Immigration officials 🤣

I actually in some ways feel sorry for him, as this debacle was in the first instance, initiated by our dumb arse Prime Minister, and Tennis Australia, forever looking for an excuse to let the world's best player play. He should never have been granted any visa from the word go. . He reportedly also contributed a decent sum of money to Australia's catastrophic bushfires last Summer. In many ways, he probably is a decent bloke, just a shame that he has been swayed by this idiotic, anti science, anti vaxx movement. I understand the anguish some of his countryman feel at this time, but simply put, and as requirements state, you must be double vaccinated to enter Australia. His and his minders biggest mistake was the incorrect and mis-leading answers they gave on the forms.

When his so called principles, could affect other,s then he should reconsider his position. The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.

The incredible explosion, as seen from the ISS https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-16/how-the-volcanic-eruption-near-tonga-unfolded/100759528

Perhaps they could. But that's a far reach to claiming that they could achieve space travel. https://www.quora.com/Could-octopuses-theoretically-evolve-to-become-a-space-faring-civilization-If-yes-what-do-you-think-it-could-look-like My choice of answers ( among those given) is best illustrated as follows..... "The problem with the “Is it possible?” class of questions is that our explorations of the world have taught us that it is unwise to put constraints on what is possible. It may be more useful to address the probability of this happening. Here is a scientific paper, supporting most of what I believe and as detailed in my previous links. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303652521_Beyond_the_Octopus_From_General_Intelligence_Toward_a_Human-Like_Mind Beyond the Octopus: From General Intelligence toward a Human-like Mind: https://next.voxcreative.com/sponsored/11387354/here-are-5-things-serious-scientists-believe-about-extraterrestrial 1. THEY MAY LOOK JUST LIKE US. "Simon Conway Morris, an evolutionary biologist at Cambridge, thinks there’s a good chance intelligent extraterrestrial life will look a lot like us.

I don't believe that is correct, for the same reasons that Earth, the solar system, the Milky Way galaxy and the local group and beyond, are likewise decoupled from the overall expansion of the universe. Gravity, EMR, and the strong and weak nuclear forces prevail over smaller scales. Bingo!

??? What has that weird comment to do with the price of fish? Yep, the indecision by a wishy washy government and Tennis Australia created this mess from the beginning. From the get go, and considering his past stance and comments and actions on vaccinations, and his refusal to be vaccinated, he should have been disqualified from ever entering Australia. Bingo! and considering that Australia has gone through many lockdowns and restrictions on normal life to contain this pandemic, there would have been hell to pay if they had agreed to let him in. 88% of the Australian population are now fully vaxxed, while NSW is 95% and Victoria where the open is held, is 93% Just as an aside, while Djokovic is certainly a great player, and while it is hard, if not impossible comparing players from differemt eras, nothing can compare with Australia's rocket Rod Laver, who won the grand slam first as an amateur, then again as a professional. But that's just my biased opinion! 😉

I see more a problem with your life philosophy then with the proven discipline of science, of which none of us can do without. 🙄 If they were advanced beings, similar to ourselves, via mathetaics and descriptive geometry, as the Pioneer and Voyager craft potentially could do if one day intercepted by an advanced civilisation. 😄 You mean because I reject your life philosophy on this and many other things? How pretentious of you. Actually this is nothing more than another of your usual pot, kettle, black exercises. I know and understand that sometimes I may seem a little rough around the edges but that's me. What you need to do to regain some respect and composure, is answer the OP question/s and understand via the reputable links I have given, that octopuses and tomato plants are not going to achieve space travel. Neither will we evolve into spiderman! Both your's and Moontanman's contributions are appreciated...and yes I agree about exotoc figurations out there that we certainly are not anticipating. There are even thoughts on octopuses being actually Alien, as per the link I supplied earlier. this one.....https://carnegiemnh.org/ocotpus-communication-extra-terrestrial/ Now while I see "Panspermia" as a reasonable concept for the beginning of life on Earth, I don't really support the thoughts of octopuses being an example of that...we could pick a hundred of other weird lifeforms on Earth for that also.

https://www.universetoday.com/154063/tongas-incredible-underwater-volcano-eruption-seen-from-space/ The Hunga Tonga Hunga Ha’apai volcano is located about 64 kilometers (40 miles) north of the capital of Tonga, Nuku’alofa. In late 2014 and early 2015, a series of eruptions in the area created a small new island. While this is a small volcanic island, below the ocean the volcano is huge: around 1.8 km high and 20km wide. And now, follow-up images of today’s eruption appear to show the small volcanic island was basically blown in two. The volcano has been rumbling and spewing small amounts of ash since late in December 2021, but today’s eruption was one of the largest ever for this volcano. This was the sixth time this volcano has erupted in the last 110 years. The link contains some videos from the ISS and from Tonga and the terryfying sound heard by some kids 64 kilometres away. The Islands were then hit my tsunami waves, and coastal warning given to Fiji and countries as far away as Japan and Australia. Australia and New Zealand are already prepearing air lifts with critical supplies to the most affected areas. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60007119 https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/global-affairs/tsunami-warning-announced-for-tonga/video/ebf41ecdc01a9fa488b75b4c4ee86f7f

Novak Djokovic is a Serbian tennis player who some regard as the greatest of all time. He has won all of the "Grand Slam"titles, the US, Wimbledon, French and Australian Open, 20 titles in all. He is rightly and understandably seen as a cult hero in his home country of Serbia. He also in recent times, during this pandemic, expressed his opposition to vaccinations in many arenas, contracted covid19 and disregarded isolation and travel in the days following his positive reading, and most recently applied to Australian Immigration for a visa for the Australian Open next week, and put forward some manufactured dispensation with regards to vaccinations. While the present Australian government and Tennis Australia were less then forthright from the beginning, and failed to do the research needed they granted him his visa. The Minister involved then cancelled that visa and since then a court judge has granted him a stay of execution, which the government protested against, and that appeal was upheld. The full story is here....... His wait has ended. The visa cancellation was rightly upheld by the court of appeal, and Novak will be unable to play and will be deported, and has been ordered to pay court costs. He may also as a result of the discrepencies on his aplication form, be banned from re-entry for three years. No player is bigger then the game. No player is bigger then his chosen sport. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2022/jan/11/victorian-premier-dan-andrews-on-djokovic-crisis-australian-open-bigger-than-one-person-video

I'm rather confused, and admittedly is been a long long time since I ever opened a bible...but the sheer fact that some do claim contradictions, and some don't, conjurs up obscurity to me. Off the top of my head, Moses was supposed to have taken two of each animal aboard his arc...how could that ever be possible? where did he find his Platypuses, and Echidnas, and Wombats and kangaroos, and Kookaburras? Let alone Lions and Tigers, and Elephants and Hippos and Rhinos.....It talks about the world being flooded...the world was pretty tiny in those days. And correct me if I am wrong, doesn't it say somewhere that the Erath is only 6000 years old? and infers it is flat? Sounds more like they had a few Donald Trumps among their midst. The creation of the Earth, and heavens story....not confusing? not obscure? To finish off, yes I agree the bible does have a moral code evidenced particularly with the ten commandments, but it also has passages that paints the creator as a vengful murderer. Don't ask me where those particular passages are, I'm really not that interested, except to say, that I see the bible as a story book, with many obscure aspects and contradictions, sprinkled with some desirable features, but so was Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

I have donated 76 pints of my O rh positive blood over the years. Note though it is/was all donated. We don't get payed for it in Australia. ☺️

No women I have no problem with, but are you now saying that there is one, and only one possible interpretation of the bible? Compilation or no compilation, I find it hard to believe that it can only be interpreted one way...hence my use of obscure.

Here is a scientific paper, supporting most of what I believe and as detailed in my previous links. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303652521_Beyond_the_Octopus_From_General_Intelligence_Toward_a_Human-Like_Mind Beyond the Octopus: From General Intelligence toward a Human-like Mind: Abstract: General intelligence varies with species and environment. Octopuses are highly intelligent, sensing and rapidly learning the complex properties of their world. But as asocial creatures, all their learned knowledge dies with them. Humans, on the other hand, are exceedingly social, gathering much more complex information and sharing it with others in their family, community and wider culture. In between those extremes there are several distinct types, or levels, of reasoning and information sharing that we characterize as a metaphorical “ladder” of intelligence. Simple social species occupy a “rung” above octopuses. Their young passively learn the ways of their species from parents and siblings in their early lives. On the next rung, “cultural” social animals such as primates, corvids, cetaceans, and elephants actively teach a complex culture to their young over much longer juvenile learning periods. Human-level intelligence relies on all of those lower rungs and adds three more: information sharing via oral language, then literacy, and finally civilization-wide sharing. The human mind, human behavior, and the very ontology with which we structure and reason about our world relies upon the integration of all these rungs. AGI researchers will need to recapitulate the entire ladder to produce a human-like mind. Conclusion: The octopus is clearly quite clever. Building an AGI with intelligence roughly equivalent to that of an octopus would be quite a challenge, and perhaps an unwise one if it were allowed to act autonomously. A human-level AGI is far more challenging and, we believe, quite hopeless if one attempts to start at the higher rungs of the intelligence ladder and somehow finesse the lower rungs or fill them in later. From the beginning of ancient philosophical discourse through the recent decades of AI and now AGI research, mankind’s quest to understand and eventually emulate the human mind in a machine has borne fruit in the ever-increasing understanding of our own intelligence and behavior as well as the sometimes daunting limitations of our machines. The human mind does not exist in splendid isolation. It depends on other minds in other times and places interacting in multiple ways that we characterize in terms of a metaphorical ladder. Mapping out the journey ahead and acknowledging the challenges before us, we must begin at the base of the ladder and climb one rung at a time- Any entrenchment on my part, is simply due to the evidence of probablity and reason, as per my many links so far. I also see any advanced space faring entity as probably humanoid in shape, as per the Aliens in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" rather than the creatures in "Arrival" I do accept reptillian like Aliens with the two legs, arms, head, eyes, brain, fingers etc, but reject ( as per my many links) any probablity of octopuses and/or tomato plants becoming space faring, primarilly because they are confined by their own evolutionary traits and need for water/Oceans. Sad but true. https://next.voxcreative.com/sponsored/11387354/here-are-5-things-serious-scientists-believe-about-extraterrestrial 1. THEY MAY LOOK JUST LIKE US. "Simon Conway Morris, an evolutionary biologist at Cambridge, thinks there’s a good chance intelligent extraterrestrial life will look a lot like us. Different species independently evolve in similar patterns, Morris argued in The Runes of Evolution, and would likely do the same on other planets. "The things which we regard as most important," he said in an interview, "cognitive sophistication, large brains, intelligence, tool making, are also convergent." If there are other planets that look a lot like planet Earth — and the Kepler spacecraft is discovering that there are — then the likelihood of human-like extraterrestrial intelligence on those planets isn’t a huge stretch. "If the outcomes of evolution are at least broadly predictable," Morris said, "then what applies on Earth will apply across the Milky Way, and beyond." more.... and another somewhat different view....... .... https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/g1592/we-asked-7-experts-what-would-aliens-actually-look-like/ extract: "Look at the incredible diversity of biotypes here on Earth, all of which evolved under the same planetary environment. I don't believe an alien species from an entirely different biochemical foundation would happen to turn out with two arms, two legs, two eyes, ears, nostrils...two genders, warm-blooded, and so on. But, for intelligence, one would assume brain capacity, and therefore the body, would need some sort of protective mechanism for the vital brain—an exoskeleton, a skull, something like that. "To build tools, they would need some kind of manipulative digits, like fingers (not necessarily an opposable thumb, maybe prehensile tentacles). There would have to be a reproductive system, but it could be budding, seeding, fission, egg laying—not necessarily live, warm-blooded birth. They would require some sort of sensory systems, the analogs of eyes, ears, smelling apparatuses. But their 'eyes' would have evolved for the peak spectrum of their own sun, not necessarily ours. more..... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::