dimreepr

Unless your thesis is, consciousness is only possible when God does it, then I fail to see the logic; besides I think you mean a design without a designer, otherwise it's a meaningless attempted tautology. How is an anthill "intelligent"? I think you're confusing the anthill with the ants that are in it. You're missing the point, or you're being deliberately obtuse, a single ant is neither intelligent nor, arguably, conscious, yet as a colony they can build structures with air-conditioning and a farm and waste disposal and etc. clearly a design with a designer. Much like a single human couldn't create our modern society, with all it's convenience. All of which seems to scupper or directly contradict your hypothesis.

The antipode of that is, how easily a holiday is spoiled by a soiled pillow...

Good point, but what I'm assuming, in the OP, is that most of us don't understand what freedom is; hoping in this context is like buying a lottery ticket, even if you win you still haven't got it. My point is, defeatism doesn't have to be a negative approach... I did say "could". I doubt most animals can have proper peace of mind in a prison. A few probably do, and stop fighting. That makes them suitable zoo exhibits, while the pacing tiger disturbs the visitors' peace of mind. That rather depends on the prison, not the prisoners... +1

So, why do we fight for a freedom we know we can't have? Because the lottery says "it might be you" and we'll give a little bit of our freedom to chase down that dream, until one day it says "it is you" and we'll finally understand...

The way this is being spun, some areas will be labeled "here be monster's" or "fair game" in modern parlance... Any collateral damage is just an "oops" away from absolution...

Indeed, it seems the more we understand freedom; the more we try to deprive it of other's...

Not me... I'm not sure, do we? For instance, a prisoner with a death sentence, could be far more free than you; his last meal, perhaps...

The concept of time is like the concept of an east pole, it's just over the horizon.

When we don't understand what it means... Discuss

Completely agree and we've been reaping the crop every day since those seeds were spread, all because we politicise the fear of the bad guy with guns and toy rockets. Imagine if hamas organised a coordinated mass fence cutting protest, with all the freedom fighters carrying backpack's full of present's addressed to the neighbours across the wire. The bad guy is far more obvious, and every single death could be the one that tips the balance...

A truthful one...

Not my fault...

Indeed, but who is the bad guy???

I think it's desperation, their plight is largely being ignored by the world's politicians and press, so they think they have no choice but to provoke a disproportionate response for the world to see and judge; maybe one day they'll realise that provoking a disproportionate response for the world to judge, is far more effective when done peacefully.

"Cometh the hour, cometh the man" This may not be the hour and you don't seem to be the man; contempt is a one way street and Jesus would be a terrible traffic cop...

My question is not so much the how, but the why ask here?

WTF are you talking about? I get that you're, probably, trolling; but you've been on this site for a while now, so I assume that you can make sense. 🤞

What makes you think that that's a good question?

Indeed, but my point is, however pure the seeds for a new world, the old world is still in there... And the old world could kill a planet.

For some it only takes a village, for others the world is never enough, we can only vet the first generation; after that who cares? "Because," said Lord Henry, passing beneath his nostrils the gilt trellis of an open vinaigrette box, "one can survive everything nowadays except that. Death and vulgarity are the only two facts in the nineteenth century that one cannot explain away." – Oscar Wilde

But it's an interesting note and I can't help myself; How? Were it correct then consciousness is impossible to design, yet here we are chatting to a potential bot...

Having walked a mile or two, in very similar shoes, the thesise fit's the story; ask me how, if you want, but I'm not responcible for your apocrypha. 🤒 For the lucky few, perhaps...

The last time, the metaphor was water into wine; imagine that for a recovering alcoholic...

I just hope that Nirvana/utopia could be true and a referendum is free to choose, but we all know one has to walk on water for the magic to happen...

Please explain. Exactly, you see a design and whatever rationale you choose to ascribe its source, you can't say it wasn't wanted; all the evidence can show is, the design works.