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You misspelled “It’s aliens”

"Strange chemical in clouds of Venus defies explanation. Could it be a sign of life?" https://www.space.com/venus-clouds-possible-life-chemical-discovery.html

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Having an infinite number of universes does not equate to all things being possible.

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You say this as if it were relevant. And true. You can predict the result of raising the temperature of a gas without knowing the trajectory of each particle. You can predict how many particles will decay from a sample after a period of time without knowing the specifics of the particles. There is a lot you can quantify, without having to (or being able to) quantify other things. My point was that "we can't know everything" is not equivalent to "we know nothing" and you have done nothing to rebut that.

Then you meant "not being able to quantify everything" which is not at all the same as "not being able to quantify anything at all"

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"There are some gray areas so all areas are gray" is failed logic

You are excluding it, and that's not a consensus. Who comprises this consensus? Not the scientific community. In your opinion, perhaps, but stop pretending that this is widely shared. Not particularly relevant to my point.

Many instruments pre-date modern science, so really, trial and error is the only way for it to have happened

Police don’t run prisons, and these are separate institutions, so how is this not a false dichotomy?

Some things have to be done at the WH level, because presidential authority is required. Compelling companies to do certain manufacturing, for instance.

https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/28/kentucky-town-hires-social-workers-instead-more-officers-results-are-surprising/ "Instead of hiring an additional officer and taking on the added expenses of equipping that officer, the police chief at the time hired a social worker to respond in tandem with officers. ... Instead of working at another agency and waiting for a referral from a police department after a crisis, Pompilio works side-by-side with officers to respond as calls come in. ... After four years on the job, Pompilio said there has been a significant drop in repeat 911 calls with approximately 15 percent fewer people going to jail." They saved $45,000 - $50,000 year, from reducing the policing burden and because they didn't have to spend money on all the peripherals a police officer needs

You shouldn’t speak for others Nobody has claimed otherwise It depends on the details. I would think some information can be obtained. Are you going to answer my question about what you mean by experiment (and pure experiment)? Or can we expect the tap-dance to continue? We understand that mass (Newton) and more specifically energy-momentum (Einstein) cause gravity. You are moving the goalposts. We were discussing testing whether an axiom was true, not whether they are the simplest ones. Simple may be a goal, but it’s not a requirement. We might find one day e.g. that an axiom can actually be experimentally confirmed - that does not make it wrong. Science is concerned with testing its models to see if they explain how nature behaves. Observation is part of that process.

None, of this clarifies what you mean by "experiment" (or worse, "pure experiment" — what is a "pure experiment"?) and why observations don't count under that category. If I observe cloud-chamber tracks and identify particles, is that an experiment? And to extend this: every new observation/experiment is a test of the validity of the axioms. So even though an axiom can't be proven true (which is something one must deal with in math) in science you can potentially falsify anything you have provisionally accepted as being true.

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That’s a very narrow view of “experiment”

That's not really helpful, nor is it consistent with "things that are bad to the species, individuals, or the commonweal." You were obviously describing effects and not the philosophy itself. And if this is the stance, instead of "good" perhaps we describe it as "valid" so that we are separating ourselves from subjective descriptions. To first order this is probably a decent distinction

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