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This would be worth linking here. Who collected, how it was tested, what researchers it was shared with, where it is stored, etc. When an archaeologist finds axolotl remains in a stew pot in Aztec ruins, there's a chain of custody that may end up in a specimen drawer at a university or natural history museum. One can formally request to see them, examine them, in some cases subject them to NDT. (some institutions you have to ask only once, but some you have to axolotl...)

Hehe. It does seem possible that a craft would leave something, even if it doesn't empty its latrine tank or toss out candy wrappers.* Change to residual radiation levels, thermal stress to soil and plants, bits of an ablation shield if it entered atmosphere from orbit, tracks of some kind, traces of unusual chemical compounds if an airlock opened, unusual indentations in the ground, traces of biocide chems, if something was disinfected....I expect this list could go on at some length. (*Milky Way wrappers, perhaps)

BMTI. And I would object to overmuch parental input (blasphemy in some circles, I know) because I don't see most parents as expert on pedagogy or what branches of human knowledge are needed for well-rounded education, or what curricula are optimal for specific trajectories in life. I would like pedagogical experts doing this. Just as I'd send a family member to a cancer clinic that was organized and run by oncologists and healthcare admin pros, not a random group of relatives of cancer patients. America already has too many ignoramuses dictating how to run things they understand very little.

Well, with AI, it would likely have been immersed in human language from its very beginning stages, so maybe not analogous to a lion. But maybe it's not completely OT, in terms of the broader question of how an AI would experience the world differently from us. And much depends on whether or not an AI is embodied, either virtually or as an android. And if it has a childhood-like phase of growth. And other considerations.

Just asking this again (re the Minot case). This seems to me the missing leg on the evidence chair. Once in a while you see some poorly documented case where it's reported there was some physical artifact or trace and invariably it's reported to have gone missing or been swiped by shadowy characters. In wildlife biology, if you want to estimate how many cougars are in a certain area, you don't rely on sightings (cougars tend to hide from humans). You lay down a grid, and get a team to each walk through their square and hopefully find cougar scat, and make an estimate based on the amounts of scat. * * yes, you really have to know your shit

That study also underscores the way the placebo effect gets at subconscious processes in the brain, so that even someone told it's a sugar pill and we presume will no longer consciously believe in the treatment effectiveness, still shows a benefit. That is how powerful suggestion can be, bypassing our rational mind.

IIRC Wittgenstein's famous lion quote was in German and may have suffered in the translation. He wasn't saying that we couldn't follow some of what the lion might say. Rather he was saying that, being a lion, some of the referents in a sentence might be subtly different for certain words so that we wouldn't understand the nuances as well. The lion might say, I would like to have your family for dinner sometime, e.g. We would understand the words, while still misunderstanding the underlying meaning. Because the lion and we experience the world somewhat differently - and have a different concept of having someone for dinner. ETA: What Ludwig meant IMO is that, if a lion could talk as we talk and mean what we mean, then he would have ceased to be a lion and have become a person. And yes, a bit OT.

Yes, I don't see philosophers like John Searle or David Chalmers getting invited to the party celebrating conscious machines. In popular thinking, some form of Turing Test is enough. The thinkers who argue about qualia (the subjective "felt" aspect of mind) will probably still argue whether it's simulated or genuine for a long time. David Chalmers' "philosophic zombie" is an amusing approach to the question. Personally, I think the best evidence of real consciousness will be the AI having difficult growth periods in its life - like a child.

Could be. The Minot 68 sightings are deeply puzzling, but also frustrate further investigation: we have multiple eyewitness reports, drawings, radar photos, but as Swanson noted you can't investigate what is no longer there. There's nothing to feed debate because everyone can agree it's anomalous and defies mundane explanation but there's not much prospect of further resolution. Did anyone investigate the location where it was seen on the ground for physical traces? In so many of these cases I've read about where there is a possible ground contact, there just doesn't seem to be the staffing or funds to have a team of forensic scientists on hand. At the very least you would want to study the soil and flora for unusual thermal stress or deformations. Like, ASAP.

@Dave Whatever the update did (would have been 2am-5am here), alas did SFA to stop spam. Absolute blitz, had to scroll past about a hundred to get to an actual post just now. This was quite a variety, not just cheap airfare kamikazes. Maybe, as was suggested in another thread, have a keyword filter that drops newbie posts into a queue for mod inspection? Also filters posts crammed with emojis and atypical characters, maybe? Seem to be another telltale of spam.

Out here in the western US, storm drains go to creeks or rivers, untreated. All sewerage is separate from this, obv. , and consists of enclosed pipes. The municipal ordinance here is regarding dumping used motor oil down storm drains. Soap is apparently not a concern. Probably written back when a lot of people changed their own oil at home. Hardly anyone does that these days, so there's less concern about scofflaws illegally dumping.

Sky blocked also (thanks for trying!), but I did read a bit on it. Early November, it sure sounds like the Leonids to me. Both Leonids and Perseids are known for unusual bursts of activity known as meteor outbursts and meteor storms, which will produce at least 1,000 meteors an hour - especially the Leonids. The pilot reports sound like they saw a good-sized one, maybe breaking up so you'd get several bright objects moving on a similar trajectory as was reported.

...is what my US screen is showing. Got a link to text on this?

I remember this one, geared for a popular audience: https://www.amazon.com/Five-Biggest-Unsolved-Problems-Science/dp/0471268089 But it doesn't have math problems like the traveling salesman. For really tough questions, there are the Millennium Prize problems. Could be a book on those?

Many thanks. Will these updates help suppress spammers? The airfare spammers seem to be back in force, the past couple hours.

What's cute and fluffy and full of glycerides? The ester bunny.

No, I quoted a clip from her blog. http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/06/does-faster-than-light-travel-lead-to.html Not clear on why this led to a thread split, given that the question of paradox seems pertinent to FTL travel.

Down in Costa del Soul.

So, peeling away the pompous pseudoscience gibberish, this is another version of "how to turn on women and get laid." LoL. Making her come. (SEE the diner scene in When Harry Met Sally)

Yes, I've seen that, too. Social standards for female beauty seem traditionally more linked to health and fertility (dewy smooth skin, full red lips, voluptuous curves, facial symmetry, clear bright eyes, etc), while male attractiveness is traditionally more tied to the appearance of strength and boldness, apparently giving a higher value to power displays than to systemic health. I think society in modern urban societies is moving on from that, but I still see vestiges of that in how young people try to enhance their attractiveness. Bad skin, for example, seems far more accepted on men than women, though for either sex it can indicate problems with nutrition, nervous ailments, autoimmune system, endocrine balance, Crohn's, etc.

It would be great to return more to the OP topic, to which the 1968 Minot sighting is relevant. Of the cases I've read about, it seems like one of the better documented, with trained observers, and pointing more strongly towards some kind of structured vehicle with flight characteristics inconsistent with 1960s level aerospace technology. There seem to have been other sightings also around Minuteman ICBM complexes, like the one at Malmstrom AFB over in Montana, a year earlier than the Minot sighting. https://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm In the Malmstrom case, and also in another one in 1966 at Minot, the ICBMs went offline and became unlaunchable for a while. https://www.minotdailynews.com/news/local-news/2021/12/military-veterans-urge-truth-told-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-incidents/ Living in this part of the country, I have been aware of these strange events for a long time, and had conversations where there is speculation about them. I have wondered if some sort of EMP device could have been involved, but other details pointing towards that seem lacking. AFAIK, Minuteman missiles and the silo power supplies have always had pretty formidable Faraday shielding. .

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/06/does-faster-than-light-travel-lead-to.html ...The relevant point to take away from this is that superluminal travel in and by itself is not inconsistent. Leaving aside the stability problems with superluminal particles, they do not lead to causal paradoxa. What leads to causal paradoxa is allowing travel against the arrow of time which we, for better or worse, experience. This means that superluminal travel is possible in principle, even though travel backwards in time is not. That travel faster than light is not prevented by the existing laws of nature doesn’t mean of course that it’s possible. There is also still the minor problem that nobody has the faintest clue how to do it... Maybe it’s easier to wait for the aliens to come visit us.

Have never seen Sabine slip a cog. Clean that pine tar off your hands. Does she have a blog segment on this? I can't watch video atm.

Almost afraid to ask - what was the nature of this novel research? If you want peer review, it helps to know who your peers would be, i.e. what branch of social sciences, and have a complete description of the research setup, what groups you sampled from (college students? singles? married couples? suburbanites? random people on the street? rave attendees?), the data collected, how data is analyzed and interpreted, etc. So far, we have an enigmatic diagram.

I found this helpful, though the equations didn't paste too well. (from StackExchange) The lift generated by magnetic field B on a superconductor of area S is: F=B2S/2μ0 disregarding lateral forces and assuming superconducting cylinder (or similar shape) with area S at the top and bottom and height h, we need three forces to remain in the equilibrium: magnetic pressure on top, bottom and gravity force: Fb−Ft=Fg denoting density of the superconductor as ρ, Earth' gravity as g and magnetic field at the top and bottom of the object as Bt and Bb, we have 1/2μ0(B2b−B2t)=ρgh assuming the vertical rate of change of magnetic field is nearly constant and denoting the average magnetic field as B, we have −B* dB/dz=μ0ρg Compare with diamagnetic levitation (superconductor's magnetic susceptibility is -1). Now, Earth magnetic field is between 25 to 65 μT. For the derivative I have found this survey from British Columbia with upper point on the scale being 2.161 nT/m. Assuming this to be the maximum for vertical derivative we get the required density of 1.1394e-08 kg/m3. For comparison air density at the sea level at 15C is around 1.275 kg/m3, so required density is 8 orders of magnitude smaller. Even assuming a very high vertical derivative where B goes from its maximum 65 μT to 0 on 1 m of height results in density required of 0.00034272 kg/m3.