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I don’t know. The government did the same with cryptography. But this thing can either secure you system or break it. I first heard of it on Security Now with Steve Gibson. I’ve been told by a user that this was released because the authors wanted to force regulation on Ai. Remember a couple months ago Anthropic didn’t want there models used for war purposes. That is rumor though.

I don’t know that it hit the news yet. I believe this was a explanation to current users. Here we go: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/06/12/anthropic-disables-access-to-fable-5-and-mythos-5-to-comply-with-government-directive.html

https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c342ee809620.pdf

But isn’t it easy to see where people believe this is true and are fooled? I looked at the clock in the doctor’s office before and it had the emblem of a prescription drug. The prescription drug prices are too high and the person will try anything that might work. It is deception from both sides making all medical information look suspicious.

It does have many similarities. There are sieves and complex algorithms to numerology. There are sophisticated algorithms in numerology. As MigL said science is based on measurable and observable math. Sometimes there is a fuzzy area where we don’t know where or how the math is represented. Lots of things in crypto are intangible. All I am saying is maybe we could use numerology techniques to find patterns in ciphers or public keys. But I don’t think this is an original idea of mine because I think others have already put it into practice. I will give you one of my ideas which I don’t know if anyone has put into practice. What if we were to take statistics and combine them with numerology equations? Not to predict games but to play them. You could add randomness to D&D and eliminate the need for dice. The attack points and save rolls could randomly be defined based on numerological aspects of the players character. Take a fighting game like SF2. What if we designed a realistic fighting game? The player throws a round house kick and the opponent blocks. Given the position and timing the chance of blocking is a statistic. What would be the effect of using numerology to enhance the stats? I am saying combined with real world stats that though logical could never be truly random. If you don’t believe in numerology, you believe the answers don’t have a pattern anyway thus random. Again I don’t know how I feel about numerology. It is ancient. But finding patterns is fine. But at the same time you have to be cautious of spiritual things.

I agree. But if you don’t believe in spiritual aspects of numerology the pattern seems like it is based on the imaginary. But even if numerology is not believed in the is still a mathematical relationship. Didn’t it take awhile for imaginary numbers to be accepted? Or drawing in many dimensions? There are hundreds of algorithms for numerology. Could these algorithms relate to cryptography? Could you decode with an algorithm that knows no limits of missing information? I say to break a trap door function you have to apply a known pattern to it. A one way function that appears to be irreversible may give clues when you augment it with a known series. I don’t know numerology all that well but I bet if you used the tools it has cryptographic uses. Like how in basic ciphers letter frequency is used. The plain text has already been encoded with it symbolic equivalent. I got you. We are now on the same page. When you said WAGs I thought WAGs were some undefined category. There is an over abundance of wags. All the more reason to apply numerology techniques. Would you agree with the statement: solving public key cryptography is numerology I the sense by reading the message is like working numerology in the sense that there is no logic to it. Ignoring the fact we have a public key. Three times in the past I have tried to solve problems with 2 or more unknowns. That is what trap door functions are: a public key with 2 unknowns to get the private key. This is not numerology, but it is pushing boundaries. What if I took a graph of the public key function and took a pattern I modified from numerology? And graphed f at numerology over the graph of public key? We look at the resulting graph and look for patterns that are known in numerology. So now for 2 unknowns we have an algorithm. Of course you could use a more accepted pattern. We are just using numerology for fun and it has a bunch of tools to analyze the graph. I know you will be skeptical of this method. The plotting idea is mine. The use of numerology isn’t. Someone once emailed me numerology applied to my work. I thought to myself there is no correlation. I’m not so sure.

Apotheosis? Really? The wipedia example is an idiom. A formation in rock why wouldn’t it be a pattern. It may not be alien life but it stands out to have a regular, Demetria shape instead of a plane irregular shape. It is not my invention that patterns and computation is everywhere. That is computational mathematics. I am not trying to make you believe in numerology. I am only to see if it can be applied to traditional science, particularly cryptography. There are patterns in numerology. You guys as a traditional mat guys just don’t subscribe to the result. And truthfully I am not sold on numerology. It can be misused. I relate Ai and computational algorithms to numerology because we are plugging in stuff and we don’t fully understand how it works. What is the difference of deriving meaning from a position of a star or asking Ai to design your battle plan?

Well from what you guys are telling me I don’t think the pattern part of numerology is not what you disagree with. It is the application of the pattern. The pattern is being contrasted with nonsense. This is the dangerous part of numerology. Question: What if we had a time traveler who went in the past knowing all future events. And numerology was like baseball stats where you use numerology to see how badly changing events would change the future. If such time travel was possible we could prove if numerology worked. I’m not saying that this is possible, but it reflects why people want to know the future or want to change past events. (They are missing chances for present events.) I believe events have meaning but the meaning is tangible not a number (usually). But I also believe unconventional patterns do exist in creative works. Like a renaissance painting. If someone invents a cipher it works like numerology. Like hackers exploiting bugs in software. It wasn’t supposed to work that way. It isn’t just science it is an art form. I don’t think science can explain the World itself. We need people who do numerology. Even if it is just to laugh at them😉 But to me ciphers are a form of numerology. Again ciphers are assigning values and again a man made creative work. And ciphers are scientific. But maybe numerology can help. The are algorithms in numerology that cycle through the numbers with a sieve. These systems are so vast that we will never completely understand them. That makes them fun. But I think this understanding contrasts with numerology. We are trying to figure these things out but we a limited. Our understanding contrasts to the numerologist trying to predict the future so he can ignore the present.

I wrote a conclusion to my thread before I read the most correct replies. I will try to respond to them in the next couple of days but until then I will explain why I started the thread. So I’ve presented a challenge to all you science types about numerology. Myself I don’t practice numerology. But that doesn’t mean patterns in all things don’t exist. I mean I can see where giving a name to a baby would influence their future. There was a case were a father named his son Sue so he would grow up to be tough because his father wouldn’t be there to look after him. Seriously though, I don’t think we can see all patterns. But why does this matter? I think if you have one pattern you can apply it to a place where we can’t see a pattern. In a previous thread I mentioned Sesquation could be used to solve for x in polynomials. In this case of polynomials I hypothesized that if you had test values of the graph the pattern that is known (Sesquation) would reveal a pattern. I don’t have all the details but I think there is something there. Cryptography has roots in numerology. Simple cyphers have letter frequencies. But I don’t try to predict the future with numerology. I am only concerned with the processing of the pattern. I wish I could share the numerology work an unknown reader sent me. It wasn’t to predict the future but related numbers of patterns found by a sieving algorithm. It looked sophisticated and I didn’t have anyway to debunk it. But also true numerology is dangerous. That is the misuse of. But I don’t completely rule out significant patterns. Take paintings for example. Heads are drawn in a triangle representing the trinity. So any designed creative work could possibly be explained by similar methods as numerology. I have exhausted this thread but a hope it give a thought provoking take on patterns. Because in public key cryptography you don’t have to find the pattern of the trap door function, you just have to find 2 or more unknowns based on a makeshift pattern you augmented the graph with. But that is speculation. But you have to start with speculation to start new investigations.

Wait a minute, I thought we set water at 100C for the fact that is were water boiled? The temperature system is defined by the scale we set. I’m just questioning when scientists set these scales does it resemble numerology? Yes the scale is usually based on something tangible, but why wouldn’t we have patterns in the intangible? It reminds me of Dungeons and Dragons. Skills are assigned a number and there is a dice roll. These mathematical machines produce actions that no math could explain. I mean the results are quantifiable but it works. What happens when WAGs produce patterns? I’m not saying there are patterns to everyone future. But I don’t rule it out. Because with a calendar may or not be arbitrary but it is a system man created so how can we rule out patterns we can’t see? And a calendar may very well have patterns because it is not arbitrary. It is based on the sun. To me the survey falls under D&D. That is assigning a result that isn’t a computational pattern. MigL calls them WAGs, but it is arguably close to numerology. My point is that we are doing it very often when trying to find new patterns. We just call it the function of f at x on the number line. I know numerology sounds illogical but what patterns can’t we see because we think it’s not scientific?

Numerology is the ancient esoteric belief that numbers carry energetic vibrations capable of revealing your personality, life path, and destiny. By calculating specific digits from your birth date and name, you can uncover a personal "blueprint" for self-discovery and life planning. [1, 2, 3] I agree from a logical sense predicting actions from words doesn’t seem possible. But again we are trying to explain everything else by numbers. Ten digits on hands; base ten. Humans are basically similar why wouldn’t there be numbers that describe us. Crypto was going to be my next example. But what about handwriting analysis? It is a science based on something that relates an action to personality. My own definition of numerology is to use math where traditional math could not express a logical, traditional pattern. One definition on the web defined as “meanings in numbers.” I have run into numerology before a couple of years ago when I got an email from someone who saw my semiPrime factoring work. I was not doing numerology, but this person had computer algorithms drawing relationships. I didn’t know how it worked but it seemed convincing by the fact the where similarities in numbers produced but no way of telling what they exactly meant. And then there is Stanislaw Lem. In The Futurelogical Congress , Lem describes present day scientists studying what new words will be in the future in order to predict the future. But what if it’s a survey? Say determining the career most suitable for an individual. Psychology is a science but the fact that it may or may not be correct even if it is based on statistics. These stats are based on similarities of peoples interests. But I see it as an evolution of numerology. or Psychology telling personality by measuring the head? But when the pattern is still unknown, still a mystery, does it still tie to a physical process? But even as scientists would you say that numbers without scientific meaning are always invalid? There is a proof in math that proves there is a significance to every number.

Well I saw an advertisement for a story on the news for sports analytics. I did not see it. But it showed simulations of football, much like the Madden football video game. But the again with the Ai are following each individual player for their path across the field on every play. Is such processing useful? Is it looking for patterns that aren’t? It has turned computational mathematics in numerology. But I am not convinced that numerology is completely merit less. I know the science community doesn’t accept it. But how do you differentiate it from a pattern we find in a mathematical series? We need a group consensus that other mathematicians also see it. It is based on rules that came before. But how are new rules found? I am not trying to convince you that patterns of events are a pattern will occur on a certain date or your birthday determines certain events. I’m just debating if there is some events that numerology explains or if it could be useful to find new patterns. In a pure scientific sense and not religious, Ai is a search for a pattern in every thing. Using numerology to find patterns could be purely scientific. Yes I don’t expect you to agree. But that is all a part of the debate. BTW my NCAA example is for basketball. Football is less dependent on single superstars. But do you think a computer could ever totally analyze football? I like what my local sports caster say that stats are good on paper but to learn the outcome you have to play the game. But do you agree that if analysis could predict everything it would ruin the game?

I’m not talking about describing everyone’s future based on their date of birth, but can certain types of numerology make you think twice if it’s legitimate? I mean are they wrong to look for mathematical patterns in everything? The same as we were trained to do. Here is my example: The NCAA Tournament bracket is impossible to predict every game. So let’s say the numerology way would have the same statistical chance as traditional maths team rankings. So let’s say the numerologists says they will take the player’s jersey numbers and determine the points scored by some complex assignment of winning potential versus the opposing team’s numbers. The traditional mathematician says that’s BS and says I’ll take each player’s jersey numbers and computer their average scoring by how long each jersey number stays in the game. Who wins the prediction? Are both approaches based on science? And is it so complex we can’t prove anything?

Very helpful video. Sesquation is in there. It is inspiring to see that we can put arithmetic in notation and find all of these patterns. I still don’t know how to spell quotation put I will post the picture below of both Sesquation and quotation.

Well I never hear of sesquation either. It is first through 3rd grade arithmetic. When you search for it on Google you have to search “sesquation in arithmetic.” I don’t know how they teach some of these models to early elementary kids. Sometimes it seems like they should stick to how we learned when I was in school. Sometimes these learning methods are harder to understand than the actual math problem. But this one checks out and I believe it could be really powerful in a series or testing keys in cryptography. I listed the example my friend gave me above. The formatting with the space didn’t stay making it hard to read. But Sesquation and quotation are a real thing. We spend are our lives studying math and an elementary kids can solve patterns we can’t hope to. I believe kids can see infinite patterns they just lack the ability to describe them. The answers to the universe are there they just haven’t developed enough yet to communicate them. In a future post I will show the example my friend gave me.